Originally Posted by MontyB

But to be fair 37% of voters would also vote Republican even if they ran a chimp for president, .

Interesting how you worded this, where it if "Democrats" were inserted it would be called "Racist"!

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Not the majority, the vast majority. The GOP is increasingly limiting itself to White, Male, over 60, wealthy, heterosexual, WASPS (with a few Catholics and Jews here and there).

That's about it. Makes for a very small pool of potential voters to appeal to as he himself admitted.

TETVET little rant was complaining about the fact the GOP is having a tougher and tougher time attracting new voters but he prefers to blame Hillary and Minorities without once asking himself if the reason nobody is jumping on the conservative bandwagon is simply because the product they are selling is crap.

It might very well explain why its President Obama and not President McCain or Romney in the White House.

Looks like Touqueville (sp?) was right, democracy works until the people find out they can vote themselves benefits. Conservatism isn't crap, Liberalism works until the Nation goes down the shit tube like Greece is doing ("until they run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher) . The dems rely on vote buying (Govt benefits programs), miss-educated youth who have been taught that socialism works. McCain wasn't much of a Candidate, but only mass hysteria/stupidity can describe the '08 election of an unqualified, inexpeirienced at anything, person like Obama.
As far as 37%, it vp[robably goes both ways with only 20% or so really up for grabs.

Originally Posted by George

Interesting how you worded this, where it if "Democrats" were inserted it would be called "Racist"!

Not by me though as it is just as valid for Democrats or in fact most major parties in countries with two party systems.

Where you have two party systems you invariably end up with 30% supporting each party blindly and the remaining 40% deciding elections.

Originally Posted by George

Interesting how you worded this, where it if "Democrats" were inserted it would be called "Racist"!


Looks like Touqueville (sp?) was right, democracy works until the people find out they can vote themselves benefits. Conservatism isn't crap, Liberalism works until the Nation goes down the shit tube like Greece is doing ("until they run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher) . The dems rely on vote buying (Govt benefits programs), miss-educated youth who have been taught that socialism works. McCain wasn't much of a Candidate, but only mass hysteria/stupidity can describe the '08 election of an unqualified, inexpeirienced at anything, person like Obama.
As far as 37%, it vp[robably goes both ways with only 20% or so really up for grabs.

First of all George, Socialism refers to the Governments control over industry (its antithesis is capitalism), liberalism is a political ideology (antithesis is conservatism). Conservatives always equate the two words proving they don't really understand either one.

Secondly, Do you really think conservatives don't spend? They are the worst kind of spenders, the borrow and spenders. "Deficits don't matter" -Dick Cheney. Remember?

1. The right likes to blast the left with fancy catch phrases like Thatchers, but the problem is they NEVER want to talk about who had the better economic record. Fancy speeches don't replace hard numbers and they simply cannot backup the rhetoric.

Thatcher, Major, Reagan, and both Bushes policies have 1 thing in common. They all can be described as the 3 D's of Economics: Deficits, Debt, and Depression as they presided over the WORST economies in US and UK history.

2. McCain wasn't a good candidate, but the problem was that the "real" conservatives were even worse which is why they never got close to the nomination and got killed in the primaries.

3. Obama won because in 2008 because of 3 factors

A. The utter disaster of the Bush Administration. People were furious at the GOP (see #1, and the Iraq disaster didn't help either).

B. The fact that the GOP appeared to be completely brain dead about the looming economic crisis, going even as far as to deny its very existence showing how completely out of touch they were.

C. The selection of "Snowball Snooki" (the Alaskan version of "Jersey Shore") as running mate was the final nail in the coffin.

And you know what? Obama wasn't responsible for any of it.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

First of all George, Socialism refers to the Governments control over industry (its antithesis is capitalism), liberalism is a political ideology (antithesis is conservatism). Conservatives always equate the two words proving they don't really understand either one..

Perhaps in the dictionary, but...Liberals at the present time is a term used by Socialists and other Leftist who (at the top levels) want to control business, the people and everything else, they are not the Liberals of the earlier times.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

Secondly, Do you really think conservatives don't spend? They are the worst kind of spenders, the borrow and spenders. "Deficits don't matter" -Dick Cheney. Remember?..

I used to acuse Bush II of spending like a Democrat, until the Dems took over and showed us how real Dems spend. Bush II spending had topped out & was dropping until the Dems took Congress (purse power) in '07, spending has sky rocketed since then.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

1. The right likes to blast the left with fancy catch phrases like Thatchers, but the problem is they NEVER want to talk about who had the better economic record. Fancy speeches don't replace hard numbers and they simply cannot backup the rhetoric.

Thatcher, Major, Reagan, and both Bushes policies have 1 thing in common. They all can be described as the 3 D's of Economics: Deficits, Debt, and Depression as they presided over the WORST economies in US and UK history.

2. McCain wasn't a good candidate, but the problem was that the "real" conservatives were even worse which is why they never got close to the nomination and got killed in the primaries.

3. Obama won because in 2008 because of 3 factors

A. The utter disaster of the Bush Administration. People were furious at the GOP (see #1, and the Iraq disaster didn't help either).

B. The fact that the GOP appeared to be completely brain dead about the looming economic crisis, going even as far as to deny its very existence showing how completely out of touch they were.

C. The selection of "Snowball Snooki" (the Alaskan version of "Jersey Shore") as running mate was the final nail in the coffin.

And you know what? Obama wasn't responsible for any of it.

A. Reagan inherited a sick economy from Carter, but you didn't hear Reagan blaming Carter for 6 years did you? Reagan deficit: Dems made a Deal with him that if he raised taxes they would cut spending one dollar for every dollar increase in taxes, he agreed and raised taxes but the Dems were lying, instead of cutting one dollar they raised spending by two dollars. Thatcher: yes, changing the direction of a nation's economy can cause disruptions.

B. The collapse was caused by the bursting of the Housing Bubble. McCain & Bush warned of it was early as '05, but where shouted down by Dems like Barney Frank who denied there was a problem, & said they were Racists because the head of Fanny Mac was a black guy. Bubble caused by legislation signed by Carter, enforced by Clinton (at the behest of A.C.O.R.N. Obama's bunch) forcing Banks to lower loan requirements.

C. Palin might not have been fully qualified, but she had more admin experience as Mayor and Governor than McCain, Biden and the totally unqualified community organizer had combined.