3 million jobs, do you believe?

[Duty Honor Country]

President Elect Obama has increased his new jobs claim in the next 2 years to 3 million.

This poll is simple; do you believe him?

For me absolutely not. How many people are willing to work construction? I ask this because infrastructure is the core job creation tool for Obama's plan. Will a business manager or computer programmer be willing to put on a hard hat and orange vest and work construction? I think not. We live in the society of entitlements where everyone is entitled to a good job.

 

[mmarsh]

Obama's plan is a reboot of Roosevelts "New Deal". Creating 1000's of jobs in construction to jumpstart the economy. And it worked for Roosevelt. Hoover Dam, the widening of the Mississippi, the highway improvement act did pull the country out of the depression.

Can he find workers? Do you know what a construction worker makes? For any 18-24 year old not going to college and not wanting to the join the military its one hell of a temptation. Its a Union job at those can START at $20 an hour. So yes he will find takers, that part I am sure of. Its will the rest of the economy follow suit is the question.

But frankly even if it doesn't our infrustucture is a mess, it could definatly use renovation, so their is an upside to this.

Now its not a automatic guerantee as lots of things can go wrong, but can it work? YES. Will it Work? To be determined (lets hope so).

 

[HokieMSG]

For the kind of spending this plan will require, I don't think that our economy can handle it.
Yes our infrastructure needs improvement.
Yes it is a noble idea.
However, Comparing this plan to FDR's is problematic. When FDR did this the US was more involved with manufacturing. Not so much now. I don't think that PEBO (President Elect Barack Obama) will get the response he expects. Yes it will reduce unempolyment, but not to the degree he is hoping for. Don;t forget that his plan is to get enough people on governement payroll to ensure his party is reelected.

 

[A Can of Man]

Well it's the best shot they have at this point.
But yeah the money's got to be coming from somewhere... but where?

 

[HokieMSG]

Well it's the best shot they have at this point.
But yeah the money's got to be coming from somewhere... but where?

If Barney Frank has his way they will get it by taxing the rich.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Mazjm_A5k

Remember folks, Obama said that when you spread the wealth, everybody benefits.

Sure the folks that get more than they contribute. What about the folks who "contribute" and get nothing?

 

[5.56X45mm]

Hell... FDR and his New Deal further increased and caused more issues during the great Depression

While most historians believe that the New Deal helped resolve the Great Depression, economists are less certain, with a substantial minority believing that it actually worsened the depression. A 1995 survey of economic historians asked whether "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Of those in economics departments 27% agreed, 22% agreed 'with provisos' (what provisos the survey does not state) and 51% disagreed. Of those in history departments, 27% agreed and 73% disagreed. The minority view is represented by UCLA economists by Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian who argue that the "New Deal labor and industrial policies did not lift the economy out of the Depression as President Roosevelt and his economic planners had hoped," but that the "New Deal policies are an important contributing factor to the persistence of the Great Depression." They claim that the New Deal "cartelization policies are a key factor behind the weak recovery." They say that the "abandonment of these policies coincided with the strong economic recovery of the 1940s." Cole and Ohanian claimed that FDR's policies prolonged the Depression by 7 years.

Lowell E. Gallaway and Richard K. Vedder argue that the "Great Depression was very significantly prolonged in both its duration and its magnitude by the impact of New Deal programs." They suggest that without Social Security, work relief, unemployment insurance, mandatory minimum wages, and without government-granted privileges for labor unions, business would have hired more workers and the unemployment rate during the New Deal years would have been 6.7% instead of 17.2%. As an example, during the depression there were extreme food shortages and widespread famine. To solve this, the government enacted legislation in the form of the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933. This sought to increase the prices of food, to benefit farmers, by reducing supply. It did this by destroying over 10 million acres (40,000 km2) of crops, slaughtering 6 million pigs, and leaving fruit in the fields to rot. The result was even more widespread famine.

"Tax, tax, tax; spend, spend, spend; elect, elect, elect." Harry Hopkins, FDR Aide. Haryy Hopkins explanation on how the Democrats should use the Depression to keep their party in power.

The New Deal was infiltrated with communists. Outside of the government, the far left was exerting considerable influence in the labor movement (it dominated the new Congress of Industrial Organizations) and was building a network of membership organizations. Thus the American League Against War and Fascism was formed in 1933 and, in 1937, became the American League for Peace and Democracy. There followed the America Youth Congress, 1934; League of American Writers, 1935; National Negro Congress, 1936; and the American Congress for Democracy and Intellectual Freedom, 1939. All had significant communist connections, and fought furious battles with the anti-communist left.

Also FDR's new deal was very Fascist in nature. The creation of many new Alphabet Soup Agencies. Packing the Supreme Court, Creation of Larger Government, etc....

"Among the early Roosevelt fascist measures was the National Industry Recovery Act (NRA) of June 16, 1933 .... These ideas were first suggested by Gerald Swope (of the General Electric Company)....[and] the United States Chamber of Commerce. During the campaign of 1932, Henry I. Harriman, president of that body, urged that I agree to support these proposals, informing me that Mr. Roosevelt had agreed to do so. I tried to show him that this stuff was pure fascism; that it was a remaking of Mussolini's "corporate state" and refused to agree to any of it. He informed me that in view of my attitude, the business world would support Roosevelt with money and influence. That for the most part proved true."

Former President Herbert Hoover

"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal."

Former President Ronald Reagan, 1976.

"Roosevelt is moving, acting, giving orders independently of the decisions or wishes of the Senate or Congress. There are no longer intermediaries between him and the nation. There is no longer a parliament but an 'etat majeur.' There are no longer parties, but a single party. A sole will silences dissenting voices. This has nothing to do with any demo-liberal concept of things."

Benito Mussolini, 1933 Essay "America has a dictator."

The Nazi Party's official newspaper, "Völkischer Beobachter", frequently praised Roosevelt early in his administration, praising Roosevelt's

"National Socialist Strains of thought in his economic and social policies."

In a letter to Roosevelt, Adolf Hitler congratulated the President for
"his historic efforts in the interests of the American People. The President's successful battle against economic distress is being followed be the entire German people with interest and admiration." (ibid.) Speaking with William Dodd, the American Ambassador to Germany, HItler said he was "in accord with the President in the view that virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. The moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan, "The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual."

Lastly... we even have a some things that both FDR said and that Obama have said about things looking wrong but being good and that at first his actions would be viewed as wrong when they were in the right.

In 1934, Roosevelt defended himself against his critics, and attacked them in his "fireside chat" radio audiences. Some people, he said:

"will try to give you new and strange names for what we are doing. Sometimes they will call it 'Fascism,' sometimes 'Communism,' sometimes 'Regimentation,' sometimes 'Socialism.' But, in so doing, they are trying to make very complex and theoretical something that is really very simple and very practical. . . . Plausible self-seekers and theoretical die-hards will tell you of the loss of individual liberty. Answer this question out of the facts of your own life. Have you lost any of your rights or liberty or constitutional freedom of action and choice?"

In September 1934, Roosevelt defended a more powerful national government as he believed was necessary to control the economy, by quoting conservative Republican Elihu Root:

"The tremendous power of organization [Root had said] has combined great aggregations of capital in enormous industrial establishments . . . so great in the mass that each individual concerned in them is quite helpless by himself. . . . The old reliance upon the free action of individual wills appears quite inadequate. . . . The intervention of that organized control we call government seems necessary. . . . Men may differ as to the particular form of governmental activity with respect to industry or business, but nearly all are agreed that private enterprise in times such as these cannot be left without assistance and without reasonable safeguards lest it destroy not only itself but also our process of civilization."

In no way do I see Obama's policies further reducing the Great Recession of 2008. The poor does not hire the rich, the poor does not create jobs. This is a self correcting issue if we allow the free market to run "free". Government control on the free market is what caused this in the first place. FDR New Deal Policies did not in anyway solve the Great Depression. WWII did. Obama will not in anyway solve these issues. He will simply further slip our nation into the pool of socialism and despotism.