World War II armored vehicles - Page 4




View Poll Results :best world war II armored vehicle?
Tiger Series: Tiger I, KingTIger 88mm 10 41.67%
T-3485 85mm 5 20.83%
Sherman 75,76,105mm 0 0%
ISU-122/152 122/152mm 1 4.17%
Panthers 75mm 4 16.67%
PZ IV series 75mm 0 0%
JS 2 122mm 0 0%
JS 3 122mm 2 8.33%
JadTiger 128mm 0 0%
JadPanther 88mm 1 4.17%
STUG III 75mm 1 4.17%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

 
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March 3rd, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
You know you've got a good tank when the P-51 pilots had to try and bounce their cannon rounds up UNDER the tank because their guns couldn't penetrate even the top armor.
March 3rd, 2005  
Jewe377
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whispering Death
You know you've got a good tank when the P-51 pilots had to try and bounce their cannon rounds up UNDER the tank because their guns couldn't penetrate even the top armor.
You ought to know that the reason for this little white lie was to ensure that pilots started to shoot early as to lead the fire in on the target instead of overshooting the target. Ricochetting/bouncing bullets had absolutely no effect on the bottom armour of the tanks!
March 19th, 2005  
Mike Main
 

Topic: Back on the MkIV


No question the MK IV was easier and cheaper to produce. All the same I think the "main battle tank" evolved for good reason. There is no sub for thick armor and a hard hitting gun. Technology advances so quickly during a major war. WWII big time. The MK IV, the Sherman, and even the great T-34 were about to have a tough time when the war ended. The British Centurion, the Russian JS-III, the American M-26 were all "heavies" by WWII standards. But they were a new breed, all faster and more agile than the mighty King Tiger.
I have to stick to my guns on this one. The T-34/85 was superior to the Sherman and MkIV in many ways. Yet they got eaten alive by M-26s in Korea.
Germany did need a tank they could mass produce. But is wasn't the MK IV. Some kind of simplified Panther would have been better.
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March 21st, 2005  
WarMachine
 
 
we can all appreciate the king tiger for their increased power and armor, but it wasn't that great on even ground with other tanks, especially without it's greater attack range. The panther on the other hand was truly an MBT worthy of being best overall. Germany should've concentrated on mass-producing medium weight and more reliable Panther style tanks IMO.
March 21st, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by WarMachine
we can all appreciate the king tiger for their increased power and armor, but it wasn't that great on even ground with other tanks, especially without it's greater attack range. The panther on the other hand was truly an MBT worthy of being best overall. Germany should've concentrated on mass-producing medium weight and more reliable Panther style tanks IMO.
Well, the Konigstiger had no prototype or development trials at all. The tanks were built in the factory and then sent immediately to the front. That's why half of them broke down and the other half, those that weren't knocked out, were abandoned or scuttled by their crews when they ran out of fuel. The other big problem for the Konigstiger was its pitiful mobility/range - it needed a much more powerful powerplant than the one it shared with the Panther and Tiger.
March 21st, 2005  
WarMachine
 
 
Exactly the thing i don't understand, why would germany need these monstrous tanks? Their strategic and tactical advantages were limited, and the cost of producing 1Tiger would've built 2 regular ones. It was supposedly built in order to take out larger Soviet tanks, but couldn't they have built tank destroyers to do the same thing at less cost?

At least the models look cool.
March 22nd, 2005  
Mike Main
 
Nothing cooler looking than the Tiger. It just has "The Look".

I think a lot of times it is overlooked the difference between the eastern and western front. Especially in armored warfare.
When you look at the Sherman or Churchill against Tigers and Panthers you have to think the Germans had gotten carried away.
This is kind of bold but I think westerners have to realize they were in the minor leagues in armor. The German had there hands full with the Russians.
Look at the evolution: Mk IV - T-34 - Tiger and Panther - T-34/85 and JS-II - King Tiger - JS-III.......

Problem - Answer - Problem - Answer.......

I hate to admit it, but the real technology battle was on the eastern front. We were outmatched because the German were trying to keep pace with the Russians.
The same could be said in reverse about fighter vs. fighter. The technology battle was on the western front. As such, the Russians and Japanese fell behind.

My theory anyway......
March 23rd, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
Well mines the M18 HellCat with the 3in. (105mm) anti-tank gun.
March 24th, 2005  
WarMachine
 
 
The americans were making way too many sherman tanks. You'd think with all that industry we'd make something more formidable to at least the average PzIV. With pershing tanks being mass-produced a little earlier, as well as the use of those monstrous T-28's as planned, we could've reached berlin first.
Granted that T-28's are very slow, they probably would've made the soviets think twice before emposing their little blockade.

What is this, the most powerful country in terms of military output, and we couldn't even make a balanced all-purpose tank like the soviets or germans.
March 24th, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
Your totally right,if we had them in mass production and we would have been there first.

Our answers to the German Tiger II:T-28 and T-29

Primary armament: 105 mm Gun T5E1 on both.




The numerous types of Shermans made:

M4 Sherman Medium Tank
M4(75) Sherman I Medium Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A1(75) Sherman II Medium Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A2(75) Sherman III Medium Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A3(75) Sherman IV Medium Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A3(75)W Sherman IV Medium Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A3E2 Jumbo Assault Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A4(75) Sherman V Medium Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A5 RAM
M4A6(75) Sherman VI Medium Tank (Primary armament: 75 mm Gun M3)
M4A1(76)W Sherman IIA Medium Tank (Primary armament: 76 mm Gun M1A1, M1A1C or M1A2)
M4A1(76)W HVSS Sherman IIAY Medium Tank (Primary armament: 76 mm Gun M1A1, M1A1C or M1A2)
M4A2(76)W Sherman IIIA Medium Tank (Primary armament: 76 mm Gun M1A1, M1A1C or M1A2)
M4A2(76)W HVSS Sherman IIIAY Medium Tank (Primary armament: 76 mm Gun M1A1, M1A1C or M1A2)
M4A3(76)W Sherman IVA Medium Tank (Primary armament: 76 mm Gun M1A1, M1A1C or M1A2)
M4A3E8(76)W HVSS Sherman IVAY Medium Tank (Primary armament: 76 mm Gun M1A1, M1A1C or M1A2)
M4(105) Sherman IB Medium Tank (Primary armament: 105 mm Howitzer M4)
M4(105) HVSS Sherman IBY Medium Tank (Primary armament: 105 mm Howitzer M4)
M4A3(105) Sherman IVB Medium Tank (Primary armament: 105 mm Howitzer M4)
M4A3(105)HVSS Sherman IVBY Medium Tank (Primary armament: 105 mm Howitzer M4)
Sherman Firefly Cruiser Tank (Primary armament: 17-Pdr ROQF Gun Mark VII/VIII)


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