Why not have elite forces for machines like tanks and jets? - Page 4




 
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April 23rd, 2005  
Shadowalker
 
 
Id forgotten there were 'elite' transport regiments. The french also have some the DOS (Division Des Operations Speciales) with transport planes, Escadrille Des Helicopteres Speciaux(EHS)-(Special Helicopter Squadron).

http://www.specialoperations.com/For...e/Overview.htm
April 24th, 2005  
cPFC/SAJROTC
 
If the original idea was that he means we should develop a more advanced and better trained force, then Im all for it. The idea of training to stop casualties and improve effectiveness has been around since the dawn of armies.
As for using better, newer, and/or different gear, sure, why not? However, the idea of using a "Special Tank Force" or other formation like that raises the question about how they'd be used and what role the remaining units would take in world affairs.
So basically, the idea of developing a "delta force" of tanks, fighter jets and artillery is the wrong application of the right idea I think. SFs currently is used to perform special tasks that typically require stealth infiltration in small groups. Perhaps a small tank team, like 6-12 tanks, trained specifically to break off from a larger group in secret to strike targets that are too large for infantry SF teams is a good idea, but elite fighter jets doesn't seem like an idea with a purpose backing it.
You want "elite" units, you put the absolute best of the best together. Although, that leaves the worst guys together which lowers the effectiveness of those units, so it's a dangerous tradeoff.
May 28th, 2005  
Stosstruppen
 
"So basically, the idea of developing a "delta force" of tanks, fighter jets and artillery is the wrong application of the right idea I think."

Agreed, that only worked in 'GI Joe'.

"Although, that leaves the worst guys together which lowers the effectiveness of those units, so it's a dangerous tradeoff."

Yep, you always have to decide whether you want to concentrate your best men together in smaller units or spread them out among your whole force. Sometimes, the prestige of crewing a particular tank rather than others can foster an 'elite' status within units totally apart from whatever actual differences in training they might have from other tank crews.
In WW2, being part of a 'Tiger' tank crew, as member of the handful of Germany's Heavy Tank Battalions, was considered much more or a prestige or 'elite' posting than crewing a lesser Mark IV or Mark III panzer. Even among the Heavy Tank Battalions, some achieved more success than others even though they had basically the same training, almost becoming an elite within an elite in the Panzerwaffe.
I would imagine that today, the prestige of crewing a Abram or Chieftain is regarded as much higher than crewing other AFV's and probably leads to units fostering an 'elite espirit' even though they might not be necessarily better trained or have a special title.
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May 28th, 2005  
TMV
 
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So are you guys saying this is unrealistic, or just plain foolish.
That's what I'd say. The government is losing enough money as it is. And any sort of program like you're suggesting is totally unnecessary.

But, the SWCC / SBUs have boats kind of like what you're talking about. The Mark 5 (MKV SOC) is pretty awesome.