What would USA look like if the Civil War never ended? - Page 3




 
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October 17th, 2005  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by therise21
this may be a little off topic, but how much of the american civil war do they teach you in countries other than the U.S.?
My guess would be somewhere between how much time we spent on the French Revolution and WWII. Amazing how every year the teachers assume that you studied WWII the year before and there is no reason to do so in the current year. And then of course we spent a lot of time on the French Revolution because it was the first democratic revolution in a world power. Blah blah blah, "Let them eat cake!" and "Viva la France!"
October 17th, 2005  
danthepirate
 
If the civil war had somehow managed to stay a full fledged war up until now, life would certainly be a lot different. We would be living in constant fear of another battle or more blood shed. Remeber that the Civil war divided father and son brother and brother. There would also be some major family fueds that would lead to some very aggresive fighting and hatred tword people of the south and the north. The battles would no longer be about slavery even though politicians would still say it was.
Also for the south to be able to stand against the north they would have needed a lot of support from other countries who don't want the north to gain power and become a major wold power. Other countries would be helping us stay at war with each other so we would not be able to bother them.
Hatred then, combined with extra munitions from other countries would drive our nations in this war. If we ever were able to obtain nucluear weapons, which is unlikely due to the fact that we will have been at war so much that we may not have had the time to work on it, we would have nuked each other until we couldn't fight any more. So the war probably would have ended but it might not have with a few people left over from each side still fighting it out. We would most definatly would not be the vast and economic country we are today.
October 23rd, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
If you are saying that the war never ended are you trying say that you would still be fighting today. If this had happened what do the chances would have been of Mexico retaking all the land that it lost to America some years earlier. Then there would be a question over the Indians and the plains and just who would have been in charge if any one if this war had gone on. Such an idea leaves to many ifs and buts to come to any firm conclusion.
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October 24th, 2005  
danthepirate
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield 2
If you are saying that the war never ended are you trying say that you would still be fighting today. If this had happened what do the chances would have been of Mexico retaking all the land that it lost to America some years earlier. Then there would be a question over the Indians and the plains and just who would have been in charge if any one if this war had gone on. Such an idea leaves to many ifs and buts to come to any firm conclusion.
you know what, you're exactly correct.
October 24th, 2005  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield 2
If you are saying that the war never ended are you trying say that you would still be fighting today. If this had happened what do the chances would have been of Mexico retaking all the land that it lost to America some years earlier. Then there would be a question over the Indians and the plains and just who would have been in charge if any one if this war had gone on. Such an idea leaves to many ifs and buts to come to any firm conclusion.
It's not that simple.

If Mexico tries to take back Texas they might get support from the Union.

If Mexico tries to take back California, New Mexico and Arizona they might get support from the Confederacy.

If Mexico tries to take back Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona, basically everything South and West of Colorado the Union and Confederacy put their little squabbles on the back burner and beat the hell out of Mexico until they can not fight back.

But wait, there's more.

Mexico, hoping to get back their lost territories, but can't get it all so they are forced to choose, they choose Texas and join on the side of the Union. Britain and France, seeking to maintain the balance of power, join in on the side of the Confederacy. Spain, hoping to get back lost colonies, joins the Union and attacks Mexico. Some Prussian states become involved and try to attack France who they percieve as being weakened by war with the Union.

Personally, I think that neither side really wanted to bring in the european powers and if Britain, France, Spain or even Mexico had tried to take advantage of the situation to regain lost territory the two warring nations would have put aside their differences and fought off the agressors before finishing each other off.
October 31st, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
The other thing to be considered is that if the American civil war had not broken out then America and Britain could have easily gone to war over slavery. Once Britain passed the law out lawing slavery it then went all out to stop the trade. Any ship from any country that suspected of carrying out slaving was stopped and searched by the Royal Navy, if it had slaves then the slaves would be freed and this was causing problem in some areas of America, the problem America had was going to war with Britain to keep slavery, and it was this issue that brought it all to a head
November 2nd, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
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Originally Posted by therise21
this may be a little off topic, but how much of the american civil war do they teach you in countries other than the U.S.?
Here in France the American Civil War is very popular. There are lots books written in French about the subject, there are French Civil War reenactors, there is even a very popular comic book called LES TUNIQUES BLUES (The Blue uniforms) thats based on 2 Northern Cavalryman. Although its fiction and a dramatic comedy, it has many cameos by famous people Grant, Lincoln, Lee, as well as famous battles.
Alot of the interest involves French-American Zouaves which fought on both sides.
November 2nd, 2005  
DTop
 
 
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Originally Posted by mmarsh
Quote:
Originally Posted by therise21
this may be a little off topic, but how much of the american civil war do they teach you in countries other than the U.S.?
Here in France the American Civil War is very popular. There are lots books written in French about the subject, there are French Civil War reenactors, there is even a very popular comic book called LES TUNIQUES BLUES (The Blue uniforms) thats based on 2 Northern Cavalryman. Although its fiction and a dramatic comedy, it has many cameos by famous people Grant, Lincoln, Lee, as well as famous battles.
Alot of the interest involves French-American Zouaves which fought on both sides.
I'm not picking on you today mmarsh (really) but the Zouaves were never French-American. There were French Zouaves and American Zouaves, that adopted the North African inspired uniforms. Most, although not all of these units were from the North. Some of the more famous ones included the 5th New York Volunteer Infantry, 'Duryee's Zouaves'(suffered the highest percentage of casualties in the shortest amount of time of any unit in the Civil War), the 10th New York 'National Zouaves', and the 11th New York Volunteer Infantry, 'Fire Zouaves'. (BTW, they got their butts kicked at the Battle of First Bull Run).
Anyway, just thought I'd shed some light to see how the truth might compare with what they teach you in France.
November 2nd, 2005  
Springfield
 
 
That would suck if the Civil War hadn't ended when it did. Although, I personally think that if it hadn't ended at the time it did end, I think it would have ended not long later. If our country just kept fighting against itself for that long, I think it would have fell apart not long after it ended (if it kept going). Maybe the US would have come back together after/if it had fallen apart. But I don't think that would be very possible. Fighting and killing your own country is plain absurd, and although it happens sometimes, it won't last long before the country completely falls apart.
November 2nd, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Basically it could not have gone on much longer when you look at the advances made in weapons by the Northern States during this time. just how would the south stand up to the Cannons, and some of the biggest for this period of history, the Gatling gun, The Winchester Rifle. I am not being rude but the South would have torn apart by the fire power that the Northern States were rapidly building up. Much of the Souths weaponry was no where near the quality or as modern as that of its opponent in the north