What to do with Psychotic Criminals

perseus

perseus

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According to this guy they send them to Guantanamo Bay as Guards.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7821569.stm

At least it is due to close down, but then what do you do with the inmates? Perhaps you could place them all inside together for now and kill two birds with one stone, or rather let them kill one another?

More seriously though, this sort of video must be a dream for the Jihadist recruiters.
 
So what are the chances he was at Guantanamo? Story says he is the guard is 19. Let's say his parents allowed him to enlist at 17, minimum 4 year enlistment. Does he look like he is in the military? Does not mention branch of service. I really question his actually having been a guard there.

As an American I have not thought Guantanamo was a good idea in the first place. It goes against my basic belief in what the US stands for. As this type of media reporting shows it just opens the door for anti US propoganda.
 
perseus said:
He states his unit here. Surely someone would have checked his story.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/79980/

So you think this story should have been censored?
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Nothing here says what unit. If it was on the video to the right of the story I could not play it.

I believe in freedom of the press and speech so no, I don't think it needs to be censored.

As far as checking his story, I think it should be. Maybe you can just supply the unit. It was not in the text on the link you give here.
 
Yes it's on the video, the speech is a little slurred, I think this is it

Branch of service: Army National Guard of the United States (ARNG)
Unit: C 1-119th FA
Rank: e-4
Home: Chicago, Illinois
Served in: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba - Camp Delta

http://ivaw.org/member/chris
 
Chukpike said:
Nothing here says what unit. If it was on the video to the right of the story I could not play it.

I believe in freedom of the press and speech so no, I don't think it needs to be censored.

As far as checking his story, I think it should be. Maybe you can just supply the unit. It was not in the text on the link you give here.
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Well I don't know if he is for real or not but here is the unit he mentions.
Initially he says he joined the Michigan National Guard at age 17 and then later the 119th Field Artillery.

He was then sent to Fort Dix, New Jersey for one month training in how to be a "concentration camp" guard before being deployed.

I will leave it to those who know something about the US military to determine whether it is possible or not.

However even if the guy is a fake I do tend to believe this one is a real soldier...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/7762430.stm
 
I have started digging into the information provided already and here are my initial findings and impressions:

1-119th Field Artillery is a unit of the Michigan National Guard
Attached to the 38th Infantry Division Artillery.
C Company is based out of Albion, MI.
https://www.mi.ngb.army.mil/units/177MP/1-119FA/C-1-119FA/

Initially he says he joined the Michigan National Guard at age 17 and then later the 119th Field Artillery.
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It is possible to enlist in the Army (Active Duty or National Guard) at age 17 with your parents consent or via the Delayed entry program.

Here is where he starts to lose credibility.

He was then sent to Fort Dix, New Jersey for one month training in how to be a "concentration camp" guard before being deployed.
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Issue 1: Standard pre-mobilization training is 60 days. I have a friend who works in the MATOPS section at Fort Dix and this is what he tells me. This is 1 month shorter than the standard time and there is NO way that he or his unit could accomplish the training in less than 60 days.

Issue 2: The Army also uses Camp Atterbury (Which is in Indiana and much closer to their HS (Home Station)) for pre mobilization training. Atterbury would be their mobilization site.

Issue 3: The Army would not use anyone who does not have an MP MOS (31B) for anything but perimiter security. Non MP's would NEVER interact with prisioners.

Issue 4: The 31B course taught at Fort Leonard Wood is 20 weeks and 6 days long. No way to get even close to the training required in 4 weeks.

Anyone get a name for this guy?
 
I did some searching and found nothing ARMY Related for a Christopher Arendt or Chris Arendt. This guy is likely not even a soldier. This Poser need to be prosecuted.
 
Does seem unlikely a National Guard Soldier or unit would be deployed to Guantanamo. Being a Naval Station and Marine Base. The Marines would serve as base security. The detention center is operated by Army MP units and naval personnel according to Wikipedia. I think the naval personnel would be medical, corpsman and Dr's.

The story in the original post is pretty much old news as the video was made in March of 2008. The BBC report is more about what Obama's plans for GITMO detention are after becoming President. The video was old file stuff.

While I would say some of the things he said happened, did happen, I don't think he was there himself.

Interesting to note the site perseus got Chris's military information from is the Iraq Veterans Against the War membership. Basically Chris (no last name) claims GITMO service but list no Iraq service. Which begs an explanation on how he joined an Iraqi war veterans group.

Bottom line is I don't believe him, but would not disagree that the things described by him did happen.
 
As I am at work I am currently unable to view the video. I'll try to look at it tonight.

This kind of "stiff" really upsets me. I'm in the Army and don;t like any false accusations made against MY service. I would like to see if this clown even has a DD214. If he does I would love to read it. Also like to see a copy of his DA2-1.

I'll also check out the ivaw site tonight.
 
HokieMSG said:
Issue 1: Standard pre-mobilization training is 60 days. I have a friend who works in the MATOPS section at Fort Dix and this is what he tells me. This is 1 month shorter than the standard time and there is NO way that he or his unit could accomplish the training in less than 60 days.

Issue 2: The Army also uses Camp Atterbury (Which is in Indiana and much closer to their HS (Home Station)) for pre mobilization training. Atterbury would be their mobilization site.

Issue 3: The Army would not use anyone who does not have an MP MOS (31B) for anything but perimiter security. Non MP's would NEVER interact with prisioners.

Issue 4: The 31B course taught at Fort Leonard Wood is 20 weeks and 6 days long. No way to get even close to the training required in 4 weeks.

Anyone get a name for this guy?
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I'm gonna agree with all this with some possible exceptions.

If and only if his Arty unit was reclassed to MP would the training to pickup a 31B MOS be accelrated. Then it's a unit evolution. However they still appear to be cannon cockers.

He could also be assigned to Gitmo as a 31E Corrections Specialist (Cage Kicker) but that is 17 weeks at Lost in the Woods, so thats not really doable.
 
So what are the results of your search?

Surely the head at Guantamano would have released a statement if he was a fraud, how many guards of that age to they have?

It must be difficult to get away with this anyway. As well as everyone in his alleged unit never seeing him or having records, everyone else where he really was would have to stay quiet as well.
 
03USMC said:
I'm gonna agree with all this with some possible exceptions.

If and only if his Arty unit was reclassed to MP would the training to pickup a 31B MOS be accelrated. Then it's a unit evolution. However they still appear to be cannon cockers.

He could also be assigned to Gitmo as a 31E Corrections Specialist (Cage Kicker) but that is 17 weeks at Lost in the Woods, so thats not really doable.
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Agree that a unit evolution would be accelerated, but....
His unit would have been re-orged as an MP company.

Couldn't find anything about his unit deploying either. Usually the FRG's and the state NG magazines are pretty good about reporting when units are deployed. Does not mean that it didn't happen but, the more I dig the more likely it appears that this guy is looking like a fake.
 
Here is info from an article dated this month

The deciding moment that transformed Chris Arendt into the anti-war activist he is today came while he was in basic training at Fort Sill in Oklahoma.

U.S. forces had invaded Iraq, and the news only amplified the anxiety of a young man who joined the Michigan Army National Guard with hopes of earning money for college.

But Arendt, now 24, never went to Iraq. Instead, the Charlotte-area native served as a guard at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in Cuba - an experience he described as "terrifying."

http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=27402
 
According to the link provided by perseus.

The deciding moment that transformed Chris Arendt into the anti-war activist he is today came while he was in basic training at Fort Sill in Oklahoma.
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If he really had trouble, he could have filed for C.O. status.

Arendt, who was honorably discharged as a specialist in the Army National Guard in 2007, said he will participate in a month-long speaking tour put on by Cageprisoners, a London-based human rights organization.
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If he spoke out against the war before he was discharged, that is a no no.
Soldiers are supposed to be apolitical. You can speak out as a regular citizen but should not state your affiliation with the military. After you ETS you no longer fall under the UCMJ.
 
perseus said:
Here is info from an article dated this month

The deciding moment that transformed Chris Arendt into the anti-war activist he is today came while he was in basic training at Fort Sill in Oklahoma.

U.S. forces had invaded Iraq, and the news only amplified the anxiety of a young man who joined the Michigan Army National Guard with hopes of earning money for college.

But Arendt, now 24, never went to Iraq. Instead, the Charlotte-area native served as a guard at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in Cuba - an experience he described as "terrifying."

http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=27402
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Yeah just another one joining the National Guard and thinking he won't have to do anything but collect benefits.

Kind of says it all when his deciding moment was boot camp and he had to get his haircut. He didn't get the condo his recruiter promised.:roll:

If he was so terrified as a guard, it is a good thing he wasn't a prisoner.:D

On the bright side he does get an all expense paid trip to the UK. We can hope he stays.
 
According to the Michigan Department of Veteran and Military Affairs Btry C, 119TH FA was deployed to Gitmo between Jan 2004 and Nov 2004. They ramped up at Dix from Nov 2003 until deployment. According to JTF they were trained in mission specifics for Gitmo.
 
Well I doubt if this will surprise anyone on here, but for the record:


US agents at Guantanamo Bay tortured a Saudi man suspected of involvement in the 11 September attacks, the official overseeing trials at the camp has said. Ms Crawford, who was appointed convening authority for military commissions in February 2007, said Mr Qahtani had been interrogated for 18 to 20 hours a day almost continuously for eight weeks.
Susan Crawford told the Washington Post newspaper that Mohammad al-Qahtani had been left in a "life-threatening condition" after being interrogated. ...


Mr Qahtani remains at Guantanamo, but all charges against him were dropped. He had been facing trial on counts of conspiracy, terrorism, and murder in violation of the laws of war. ... Ms Crawford said in her interview that the decision had been taken because of the methods used by US agents.

Ms Crawford said she was shocked, upset and embarrassed by the treatment he had received.

She said: "If we tolerate this and allow it, then how can we object when our servicemen and women, or others in foreign service, are captured and subjected to the same techniques?
"How can we complain? Where is our moral authority to complain? Well, we may have lost it."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7828126.stm

Seems to me that it is the use of torture and the lack of credibility of information obtained using this, will eventually result in releasing terrorists back into society
 
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See we never shoulda opened Gitmo. Get caught with Tango's in country get dealt with in country.
 
03USMC said:
See we never shoulda opened Gitmo. Get caught with Tango's in country get dealt with in country.
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No I disagree. Remember we had one jailbreak dealing with Taliban inside of Afghanistan back in 2001 which allowed to prisoners to escape and got some American Servicemen and 2 CIA agents killed. They breakout was aided

I have no problem transporting prisoners elsewhere, but we cannot be torturing people no matter who they are. I don't give a damn about the terrorists, but to torture them is to betray everything we stand for, torture was once of the reasons why we tossed out King George III.
 
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