What if the Nationalists had won the Chinese Civil War?




 
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March 14th, 2005  
Red_Army
 
 

Topic: What if the Nationalists had won the Chinese Civil War?


What would China and the world look like if the Nationalists had defeated Mao and his Communists soldiers?
-Would Taiwan still want independence?
-Would China become a 1st world nation like Japan?
-Would China have a lower population?

If the Nationalists had won, North Korea would have lost to South Korea the Korean War, because there is no Communist help from China. Therefore, both China and Whole Korea would be democratic. The Vietnam War would have been prevented without the support of Communist China. Communism would have collapsed in 1991 with the fall of the USSR.
March 14th, 2005  
Kilgore
 
If the domino affect failed at china, well then there would possibly be no vietnam war. North Korea surely would have been taken out by the west and the threat of communism in south east asia would be smaller. I also believe that china would be smaller because it wouldn't invade Tibet and other lands. Taiwan would also be part of china. The reason for Taiwan to be independent was because of the national china government fleeing to that island.

Im just assuming things through, but without china as a communist nation, South east asia would be more peaceful and maybe NATO troops can be placed in China as well, giving them the advantage over the USSR.
March 14th, 2005  
Zucchini
 
Maybe things would be rosier, but maybe things would have ended up a lot worse.

What if the South had won the Civil War?

When I was a kid Life Magazine posed that question and they had a drawing of nukes pointing at the North.
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March 15th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
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If the domino affect failed at china, well then there would possibly be no vietnam war. North Korea surely would have been taken out by the west and the threat of communism in south east asia would be smaller. I also believe that china would be smaller because it wouldn't invade Tibet and other lands. Taiwan would also be part of china. The reason for Taiwan to be independent was because of the national china government fleeing to that island.

Im just assuming things through, but without china as a communist nation, South east asia would be more peaceful and maybe NATO troops can be placed in China as well, giving them the advantage over the USSR.

lol, first of all if civil war was won by kmt they would also have to face civil disobdience from 11 major cities such as shanghai, nanjing and taibei

we would've taken tibet back anyways, there is no question in that

corruption is still rampant in kmt, if no tdefeated it will fall flat on its own face

nato troops placed in china..... dont get me angry here

i dont think kmt will be willing to lost face unless it is very dangerous, such as in civil ccp had taken most of northern china. no, no nato troops will be placed in kmt gets into power
March 15th, 2005  
Kilgore
 
Im only assuming mate, but i do have beliefs that tibet would have been left alone.

The nationalist government was friendly to the US. Nationalist china would require US help and protection against the USSR.

What is KMT?
March 15th, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
The whole Asian theater would probobly be a lot more peaceful now, all things being the same, because maybe China wouldn't be the U.S.'s best friend but their relations would probobly be very friendly instead of the cold relationship they currently have.

Taiwan would probobly be Chinese since the only reason the U.S. got involved with Taiwan was to get back at the Chinese for the Korean War.
March 15th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
KMT = kaumintang ( the nationalist Govt) spellings wrong but thats how it sounds
March 15th, 2005  
lemontree
 
If the KMT had won the civil war. There would have been no Sino-India war. India would not have gone in for nuclear arms.
- The AK-47 would not have proliferated so much.
- The would be no Platoon, Apocalypse Now or Rambo movies, at least not the PartI & II. Maybe the Afghan version would have been First Blood I.
March 15th, 2005  
Tibs
 
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Originally Posted by Kilgore
The nationalist government was friendly to the US. Nationalist china would require US help and protection against the USSR.
From what I've learnt at school, both the US and USSR contributed greatly towards the 2nd Civil War (they had one before WWII) between the KMT and CCP. The USSR annexed Manchuria from the Japanese and gave it to the CCP in 1946, while the US supplied arms, money and airlifted several thousand KMT troops from central China to main cities in eastern China.

Apparently, the KMT was corrupt and disunited (Even Chiang Kai Shek, its leader, admitted it publicly), and after sending them US$200 million in aid, the US cut off all aid to the KMT in 1947.

Now, to answer your questions Red_Army:

If the KMT was victorious over the CCP, Taiwan would surely not be independent, unless the Communists decide to retreat there.
I'm rather unclear on what you mean by 'like Japan', there's a great difference between 1945 and 2005. But in any way, the KMT would have been too corrupt and disunited a government to do anything. With the compliments of massive inflation and other economic problems back then, I wouldn't be suprised if a peasant uprising (includes up to 90% of the Chinese population then) happened. Under this situation, China would definately have a lower population, being plagued by famine and continual civil unrest throughout the early 20th century.

Chances are, as several of us suggested, there would be no Sino-Indian conflict, Vietnam War, and we would probably have a unified Korea. But then again, taking all the What Ifs into account (i.e. Peasant Uprising, Invasion of Soviet Union, etc) we would probably have a much more bloody history. Take this into example - Soviet Union getting directly militarily involved into the Korean, Chinese conflicts.

I might be extrapolating a bit too much. But then again, it's just my opinion, feel free to correct me.
March 15th, 2005  
Zucchini
 
No "Rambo"?

Man, I'm pullin' for the kmt now. I hate those movies. I can't believe people actually think "Rambo" is the history of a Vietnam vet.