We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready...




 
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December 16th, 2003  
Redleg
 
 

Topic: We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready...


Yes, I actually need some help here...

I'm trying to find the origin to George Orwells quote:
"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."


I can't find any proof that he really said this.
It's used everywhere, but no one knows when, and why he said it!

Please help, so that I can sleep (safely) in my bed at night again... 8)
December 16th, 2003  
Redneck
 
 
Well it's not looking good, Redleg.

Quote:
Rough Men

Did George Orwell ever say: "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf?" Or: "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us?"

All the a.b.g-o regulars agreed it was something he might have said in one of his more truculent moods. But if he did say it, where? If so, why can't any of us find it? (It is not, apparently, mentioned in the recent Complete Works, edited by Peter Davison).

The nearest version is contained in Orwell’s essay on Rudyard Kipling (1942): "[Kipling] sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilised, are there to guard and feed them." (Thanks to Keith Ammann for this).

Unless someone finds a source for the ‘rough men’ quote, it seems to be an Orwellian piece of disinformation (MB).
http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/ctc/docs/faq-abgo4.htm


Quote:
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Alternative: "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us."
Notes: allegedly from Rough Men by George Orwell. There is no evidence in existence that Orwell ever wrote or uttered either of these versions of this idea. While these do bear some similarity to a comment made in an essay that Orwell wrote on Rudyard Kipling, the two statements above are considered to be illegitimate by Orwell scholars.
http://wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations


Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any sign of an alternative source for the quote, it may just have to be one of those under "Anonymous."
Sorry for the bad news.
December 16th, 2003  
Redleg
 
 
I suspect that this is one of those quotes that everyone has heard from someone else, who has heard it from someone else again, who has forgot who they heard it from....

It's used everywhere, so I don't think it's completely false.
But it could be a similar quote by Orwell that has in time been changed into this one...


(and by the way: cool google ads at the bottom of this topic...
It's supposed to be ads related to the content of each page, guess it was too much sleep talking for google . .)
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December 17th, 2003  
Guardsman_Ca
 
 
I went through 19 pages of links re Goerge Orwell quotes and they all said it was his quote
December 17th, 2003  
Redleg
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardsman_Ca
I went through 19 pages of links re Goerge Orwell quotes and they all said it was his quote
I know, but no one can tell why and when he said it....
December 17th, 2003  
Redneck
 
 
You know, it might be like that Edmund Burke quote ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.") where if you search for it online, half the responses claim he said it and half claim some other guy said it. Good luck with that though Redleg, I'll let you know if I run across anything.
December 17th, 2003  
Guardsman_Ca
 
 
Here's a shot in the dark
It might have had something to do with the war.
February 23rd, 2004  
samirine
 
Eep the quote! I had to memorize this one and regurgitate it on command. *shudders* Oh the flashbacks! What we had to learn was
Quote:
“People sleep peaceably in their bed at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” –George Orwell
Anyway, so that's the way my Training Officer thought it should be (and we all know TOs are the Voice of God so... )
May 3rd, 2004  
crossroads
 

Topic: Rough Men quote


"We sleep safely...."

I came across this piece last year and was very intrigued by it as it expressed my sentiments exactly. I did some research into it and discovered that it is widely attributed to George Orwell. Other sources believed that this is false. My final findings indicated that it was in fact a quote from a piece of Orwell's writings... but not as George Orwell (a pseudonym), but rather under his real name, Eric Arthur Blair.

Good luck to all.
W
June 1st, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
A bit late with the repl..

Interesting info, do you know where he did use that quotes?