Originally Posted by LeEnfield

Let me point out that India raised a army of 8 million men to fight for Britain, and more could have followed. Also many of these men fought very well and won many VC's, India's role in WW2 is often over looked and they made a large contribution to war effort in both World Wars

Good reminder Le- you continue to impress me with your responses.



MONTYB. - When you put it that way, young fella', I can live with that.

Originally Posted by LeEnfield

Had Germany beaten Britain then he would have had a free hand in helping Japan with Jets submarines and Missiles, plus the Japanese Navy would have got radar and many other things. He would have had a free run on the oil fields in the Gulf, I would also think he taken the whole of Ireland to close down the whole of the eastern seaboard.
Remember America did not have a jet engine until they were supplied by Britain along with all the latest radar, lets face it even the all the research on Penicillin was handed to America. Germany would have know doubt also taken Greenland along with Iceland putting America at greater risk.

Had Hitler beaten Britain AND the Soviet Union would he then help Japan. Hitler might have been a fool, but he still had enough brains to put priority on the Soviet Union. (At least until he launched Wacht Am Rhein in late '44) The jet engine in point you bring is completely irrelevant seeing as jet fighter came in too late on both sides to even make the smallest impact on the war.

Originally Posted by lljadw

1)Invading the British Isles was impossible
2)If you have a viable alternative for an invasion of the SU,let us know
3)Hitler was convinced that war with the US was inevitable .

You and I know that but, Hitler did not. If Hitler had stuck to his promise he made to Adm. Doenitz to not start the war until he had delivered three subs to Doenitz maybe things would be different? Hitler could not follow a straight line and, him being so erratic caused him to screw up everything. Had he led the USA, he would have found a way to screw up and lose the war!

Whereas both Germany and Japan were such extreme racist, I don't see them being happy with the two of them ruling the world, not for long. One of the two would have gotten greedy and sought to control/rule the world all by one country's efforts.
Doesn't it sound ridiculous, two countries with about eighty million people each wanting to conquer the world, against countries with hundreds of million people each? It does to me.

Originally Posted by lljadw

"Germany was the problem of the Europeans "? Never heard of the "Germany first strategy"?

Oh yes, shortly after the start of the war, 'London'... and Washington agreed to put the major efforts in defeating Germany first. The great expanse of the Pacific Ocean meant the Japanese could control very large areas of the ocean and still not physically put a foot on terra firma of Austalia, New Zealand or, the USA.
America defeated Japan with only twenty percent of its military material production!! Remember by early 1944, the US shipyards had replaced all of the cargo ships and oilers sunk by German forces!

Originally Posted by lolwhassup

Had Hitler beaten Britain AND the Soviet Union would he then help Japan. Hitler might have been a fool, but he still had enough brains to put priority on the Soviet Union. (At least until he launched Wacht Am Rhein in late '44) The jet engine in point you bring is completely irrelevant seeing as jet fighter came in too late on both sides to even make the smallest impact on the war.

As the jet powered German planes indeed came into service far to late to make any difference, you have a valid point, but...

In the first years of the war the German Blitzkrieg tactic worked well, and there was no desire to spend any money on jet-powered toys as the Germans were pretty confident that they would have won the war before the jetplanes became operational.
That stance hampered the project that turned out the ME-262 even after the plane flew under jet power for the first time, and proved sucsessfull.

And when the Germans realized how the war turned on them, they became desperate and pushed the plane into service, but still with lacking funds for developement, and with technique suffering from the general lack of resources that became a trademark for late-war Germany.

Thanks to Hitler's incompetence I'm able to type this in English.

Originally Posted by 84RFK

As the jet powered German planes indeed came into service far to late to make any difference, you have a valid point, but...

In the first years of the war the German Blitzkrieg tactic worked well, and there was no desire to spend any money on jet-powered toys as the Germans were pretty confident that they would have won the war before the jetplanes became operational.
That stance hampered the project that turned out the ME-262 even after the plane flew under jet power for the first time, and proved sucsessfull.

And when the Germans realized how the war turned on them, they became desperate and pushed the plane into service, but still with lacking funds for developement, and with technique suffering from the general lack of resources that became a trademark for late-war Germany.

Thanks to Hitler's incompetence I'm able to type this in English.

Hitler's incompetence has nothing do to with this ,unless you are thinking
a)that without Hitler,Germany would win the war
b)that Hitler was the cause of Germany's defeat
and,sorry,but these 2 assumptions are totally wrong .

Originally Posted by lljadw

Hitler's incompetence has nothing do to with this ,unless you are thinking
a)that without Hitler,Germany would win the war
b)that Hitler was the cause of Germany's defeat
and,sorry,but these 2 assumptions are totally wrong .

I must aggree on point a) Without Hitler, Germany wouldn't have started a war.

But Hitler did interfere with too many things that was vital to the German war effort, or he made the influence on others to make decissions that hampered the war effort.
They were confident that they would win in the old-fashioned way, and thus there was no need to spend much resources on new technology.
There was a whole lot of projects nearly full developed that could have given Nazi-Germany an upper hand in many ways.

But as he (Hitler again) decided to declare war on the USA those new developments was to no use.

They tried to fight the US industry once before, and didn't learn then.

Originally Posted by lljadw

Hitler's incompetence has nothing do to with this ,unless you are thinking
a)that without Hitler,Germany would win the war
b)that Hitler was the cause of Germany's defeat
and,sorry,but these 2 assumptions are totally wrong .

Hitler's constant interference in military planning was most certainly one of the large reasons for Germany's defeat. When he stopped the panzers from rolling over the BEF at Dunkirk he saved Britain to fight another day.
His fixation on the destruction of the USSR made him reckless. He was a totally irrational man who was incapable of pursuing any alternative ways or means of achieving his goals. The USSR had no desire to butt heads with Germany in 1941 or 1942 or 43 for that matter. Stalin didn't trust Hitler but he needed time to develope an officer corps and to build a better air-force. At the time the Russians had the best tank in the world in the T34. The problem was they did not have very many of them.
Hitler as Rommel said lived in a cloud-coo-coo land.
His declaration of war against the USA after pearl harbour may very well have been his defining moment as a reckless, interferring twit.
I believe the 1st turning point was his decision the save the British army at Dunkirk. His second was attacking the USSR when he did. His third was declaring war on the USA.

The major reason Hitler was never close to making your grandparents goose step through Time Square: The Soviet Union.

Yes, Hitler plowed through Europe and had the UK on the ropes, and could have done more. It didn't matter. Stalin was waiting on the other side, and Hitler was never going to win that war. It was just a matter of how much of Europe he would control at the moment Stalin eventually crushed him.

Originally Posted by papasha408

Hitler's constant interference in military planning was most certainly one of the large reasons for Germany's defeat. When he stopped the panzers from rolling over the BEF at Dunkirk he saved Britain to fight another day.
His fixation on the destruction of the USSR made him reckless. He was a totally irrational man who was incapable of pursuing any alternative ways or means of achieving his goals. The USSR had no desire to butt heads with Germany in 1941 or 1942 or 43 for that matter. Stalin didn't trust Hitler but he needed time to develope an officer corps and to build a better air-force. At the time the Russians had the best tank in the world in the T34. The problem was they did not have very many of them.
Hitler as Rommel said lived in a cloud-coo-coo land.
His declaration of war against the USA after pearl harbour may very well have been his defining moment as a reckless, interferring twit.
I believe the 1st turning point was his decision the save the British army at Dunkirk. His second was attacking the USSR when he did. His third was declaring war on the USA.

Hitler saving The British Army at Dunkirk has been proved to be a myth.
Btw:there were no turning points in WWII .

Originally Posted by lljadw

Hitler saving The British Army at Dunkirk has been proved to be a myth.
Btw:there were no turning points in WWII .

Hitler may not have knowingly saved the British army at Dunkirk, but stopping his panzers and most of his troops from rolling over the beaches shows his tactics were questionable to say the least.
Anyone in his right mind must have realized the BEF could not be destroyed by the luftwaffe alone. Except Goering that is.