Leopard 2 is fast, advanced, and powerful. Best by far. It's mine protection system is invaluable on thew modern battlefield.
Abrahms - slow, but powerful
Merkava - slow, hard to take out
Others - junk

Originally Posted by DEisenhower

Leopard 2 is fast, advanced, and powerful. Best by far. It's mine protection system is invaluable on thew modern battlefield.
Abrahms - slow, but powerful
Merkava - slow, hard to take out
Others - junk

I apologize. The others are not quite junk, but lack the backing of the world's best engineers.

i would put any Merkava of any Mark and it's crew against any tank and any crew in the Entire world.

a tank dosen have to ride at 100KM right?
it is enought to get a good position-driver
and good loading rate-loader and pricite cannon and shooting-gunner
and a good commnader who know how to work on the tank,it can be slow and yet deadly.
The man in the tank will previle

Originally Posted by DEisenhower

I apologize. The others are not quite junk, but lack the backing of the world's best engineers.

UK Challeneger 2? French Leclerc?. I'd stack them toe to toe against any of the tanks you mentioned.

i would put any Merkava of any Mark and it's crew against any tank and any crew in the Entire world.

a tank dosen have to ride at 100KM right?
it is enought to get a good position-driver
and good loading rate-loader and pricite cannon and shooting-gunner
and a good commnader who know how to work on the tank,it can be slow and yet deadly.
The man in the tank will previle

Iagree, but we are not talking about training levels and crew abilety, we are talking about hardware.

Merkava - slow, hard to take out

I really dont get this repeating nonsens about the Merkav lacking mobilety. The Mk IV has a 1500 hp GERMAN MTU diesel and I can sassure you it is far from slow. The Mk III was a bit sluggish with its 1200hp diesel, but could still manage 60-65 kmh dashes. The only really problematic members of the family were the MK I and Mk II with their 900 and later 1000 hp engines which could only get them going at 45-55 kmh.

At any rate speed is not much of a measure in tanks, the real question is what types of terrain it can handle. The Merkava was built mainly for the Golan Heights, a rocky and muddy terrain on which it exells. It dose not have the common torsion bar system because it dosent need it, it is a tank made for a specific country.

Originally Posted by DEisenhower

Leopard 2 is fast, advanced, and powerful. Best by far. It's mine protection system is invaluable on thew modern battlefield.
Abrahms - slow, but powerful
Merkava - slow, hard to take out
Others - junk

- Abrahms - slow, but powerful : I don't know Abrahms.
- Merkava - slow, hard to take out : Some 20 Merkavas (including Mark 4) were disabled in Lebanon, especially by RPG-29 'Vampir' tandem-warhead.
- Others - junk : Le Clerc, Challenger 2, Ariete, Type-10 Japan are junk ?

Some 20 Merkavas (including Mark 4) were disabled in Lebanon, especially by RPG-29 'Vampir' tandem-warhead.

No Merkava 4 was disabled by RPG-29 as far as I remember(and I saw the specifics of every single tank hit). Even if there were some its not surprisng considering hte massive penetration of the RPG-29 which can penetrate any tank from the side and rear.

Most of the total loss Merkavas were attacked with 200-500kg IEDs. The rest were mostly hit by Kornet, Metis, and Milan ATGMs. Actuall losses to RPG-29 and RPG-7 were minimal.

The Metis-M is a friggin expensive weapon where the missile is even more expensive. How the heck did they manage to afford that?

i doubt they lack supporters in the rich arab countries plus lets not forget iran.

Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

The Metis-M is a friggin expensive weapon where the missile is even more expensive. How the heck did they manage to afford that?

Arab countries have oil and sit on money and they dont like Israel one bit either, thats how.