Sunnis or Shi'ite muslims where and why?




 
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Boots
 
January 10th, 2005  
Doc.S
 

Topic: Sunnis or Shi'ite muslims where and why?


I got an question from a colleague (boss) at work today about who is the most violent type of Muslims in this world? Is it Sunni or is it the Shi`ite. As christians we have different grades of violent types of christian values but wich one of theese two types of belivers are generating most of the violence we see today? Is any type of theese different Islamic types of belief system more associated with violence then the other type and why is it like that? My answer was - let`s ask some experts that I have seen speaking about Islam as a religion of peace, love and understanding, togheter with a huge amount of tolerance. My colleague (boss) is a mechanic and have done all that mechanic study but nothing about religion. And wich one of Sunni or the Shi`ite Islamic belivers are the biggest groups in America/South America/Africa/South East Asia/Africa/Balcans/ Europe/Russia? And why are they concentrated as they are in those particular places?

Best Regards:
Doc.S
January 10th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
i think that the religion angle is the wrong way to think about this, i think that it's a situational or environmental factor that makes a people violent, it is just that religion makes it easier to stir things up sometimes.

here in NZ we have both types of muslims and what little contact i have had with them has been very informative. in christchurch there was even an open day at a mosque to allay some of the fears people had about muslims in a post 9/11 world

just my two cents
January 10th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
I once asked my best friend who is a Muslim what the difference was between the Sunnis and Shi'ites and he told me this...

"The Shi'ites are followers of Mohammed's self appointed succesor and believe that they are thus following the Prophet's will directly. The Sunnis are followers of Mohammed's family who believed that the word of Islam was inherited."

That's obviously a simplification and it's been some years since I asked the question so I may have left something out, but that gives you an idea of where each branch get's it's start from.
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Boots
January 10th, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
The point is: the Shi'ites have a hierarchy, which makes it possible for them to have a leader that is recognized and whose decisions are legitimized.
In Iraq, for instance, Ayatollah Al Sistani. These clerics interpret the Holy Book and speaks out for it. No misunderstanding.
The Sunnis have no such hierarchy, and any imam can call out for violence or riots- unfortunately, no other imam can say "my opinion is more important than his".
Hope it makes sense.
January 10th, 2005  
Anya1982
 
 

Topic: listen to him


Is this not slating a religion?

You can not claim one religion to be more violent than another.

Muslims have their seperation like catholicism does....................cathoilc and chrisitains..........same as sunnis and shi'tes..........thats way i see it. Stop me from getting confused lol
January 10th, 2005  
RnderSafe
 
 

Topic: Re: listen to him


Quote:
Originally Posted by Anya1982
Is this not slating a religion?

You can not claim one religion to be more violent than another. If so then Roman catholics overall this aspect.

Muslims have their seperation like catholicism does....................cathoilc and chrisitains..........same as sunnis and shi'tes..........thats way i see it. Stop me from getting confused lol
Catholics ARE Christians .. it's one in the same. A better example would have been Catholics and Protestants or Southern Baptists and Methodists.

I do not believe anyone is claiming one religion as a whole is more violent, they're asking about different sects of a religion. Practices, principles, ideals, etc.

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Is it Sunni or is it the Shi`ite.
With these two choices, I would have to say neither.

Wahhabi fundamentalism.
January 10th, 2005  
Anya1982
 
 

Topic: get it real


Mod Edit: Removed. Off topic, check your PMs
January 10th, 2005  
Pogue Mahone
 

Topic: Re: listen to him


Quote:
Originally Posted by Anya1982
Is this not slating a religion?

You can not claim one religion to be more violent than another.

Muslims have their seperation like catholicism does....................cathoilc and chrisitains..........same as sunnis and shi'tes..........thats way i see it. Stop me from getting confused lol
You do yourself a dis-service if you are unable to objectively consider ideologies - regigious or otherwise - and make some decisions based on your knowledge and observation of these belief systems

The problem we seem to have in the West is our inability to condemn any
"religion" simply because it is called a "religion"

Of course, we do condemn "cults" - they don't meet our definition of a religion, seemingly because they don't have enough members

So why can't we look at "religions" in the same way?

Either something is good or it is bad - most things are a mix of the two

From this you can decide for yourself if Christianity in 2005 is mostly good and if Islam ( of whatever stripe ) in 2005 is not as good

This is not to say Islam is bad - only to try to understand why Islam has given rise to so much intollerance around the world

Looking at the conflicts in the world today you will find that a disproportionate number of them occur in area's where Islam meets another faith ( or indeed where 2 forms of Islam meet )

Surely this is worthy of examination?

Or are we forbidden to look at this simply because Islam is a "religion" and therefor not open to criticism - which is the Muslim attitude toward the matter
January 10th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
"Or are we forbidden to look at this simply because Islam is a "religion" and therefor not open to criticism - which is the Muslim attitude toward the matter"

That's just not correct. You're encompassing an entire religion from the actions of various Muslims. My friend for example, is quite willing to find things in the Muslim religion to be criticized. He also criticizes those he feels have debased and misinterpreted Muslim law. Jihad for example is the wrong term for what the Wahhabi fundamentalists are doing. He explained to me what the correct definition is and I can't remember it clearly enough to post it here now. I will later once I've asked him about it again. Let me be clear about this, however, continue to lump all Muslims into one catagory and you'll get nothing but an arguement from me.
January 11th, 2005  
Doc.S
 
Very interesting guys I say - Have I got this right - The part of the religion Islam that is generating most of the violence we see today is the the Sunnis that not have a hierarchy as the Shi'ites do have and thats why Sunnis today because of some radical Sunni imam`s make this part of Islam today nr one on the market to generating most of the violence that we see today in different parts of the world, including our own part of the world since Jihad have moved outside the middle eastern countrys and hit us In Spain and the U.S.A and even more attacks put down by different U.K police and security agencys and other European police and security agencys?

And the belife difference between the Sunni and the Shi'ites is this -

Charge_7 wrote Shi`ites:
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"The Shi'ites are followers of Mohammed's self appointed succesor and believe that they are thus following the Prophet's will directly.
Charge_7 wrote Sunnis:
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The Sunnis are followers of Mohammed's family who believed that the word of Islam was inherited."
Anya1982 wrote:
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Is this not slating a religion?
sometimes I almost get frightened

Ms Anya1982 I just want to tell you that this is legitimate and reasonable questions, I dont know what others opinion is but I think it is fair questions and I think more people then my colleague is interested to get answerd. I belive in Democray and the Openness in a democray that should involve all different types of questions. If this is to slating a religion I think honestly you need to look at the questions asked over here.

The only thing I need is a honest answer on my questions and that is something basic in a free democray and the openness in our society today. I think that it would be to kill the Openness in our socity if we should make up special rules for every question about different religions in this world as fast as something got uncomfortable to talk about.

I am only after the answers on this issue and I think that more people should join this thread and share there knowledge on this subject becuse in the end. More information - More knowledge - Less missunderstandings and less missguided interpret and assumptions on the subject. And as the Openness I have learn to live with this basic democratic right is that political philosophy of openness or the free marketplace of ideas, the availability of information through a free press, and free expression in all fields of human endeavor makes this world understand other political/religious/philosophical belife systems and that is something importent In my humble opinion.

I dont see anyone slating anyone on this question, I think I have got a lot of intelligent answers, and I would be greatful if there could be more information on the question: And wich one of Sunni or the Shi`ite Islamic belivers are the biggest groups in America/South America/Africa/South East Asia/Africa/Balcans/ Europe/Russia? And why are they concentrated as they are in those particular places? If there is nothing more to add to the first questions that is, and if I have got the first one right?

Thanks all:
Doc.S