Sphonix




 
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Boots
 
February 15th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: Sphonix


Ok.Let me say this is a very heated political debate. If anyone wishes to disagree with me, please do it politely, I assure you that I will treat you the same.

The wall of seperation is a plan by the Israeli govronment to put an obstacle between the occupied territories and the main Body of Jewish urban areas. This is done in some places by a concrete wall, in some places by a fence with electronic measures and patrols. The plan is taking fire from 3 diffrent places.
1-right winged Israelis who clame this fence will mark a future retreat to the 1967 lines.
2-Left winged Israelis who clame the fence is denies Palestinians of their basic human rights.
3-World leftern and humantirian organizations and parties, same reason as Israeli left.

My opinion:
The fence might be highly uncomfrtable, and I am sorryey for the Palestinians. However, A suicide attack is far more offencive to human rights, and if the fence stops Israelis from getting killed, its worth it in my opinion.
February 15th, 2004  
Tessa
 
 
Oh.. Ok.. Like the Berlin wall then?
February 15th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: You make it


You make it sound so bad.Yes, i guss there are similarities....It dosent go right inside a city though....Allso, I dont recall pics of east berlinners playing in the snow so close to the wall.
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Boots
February 15th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Just on the little information I have about it, I am for it, since the Palestinians want their own state and have viryual autonomy anyway (correct me if I'm wrong here sherman), I don't see how that fence is different from the one we have between us and Mexico (of course a lot of hippies claim that that fence denies illegal immigrants their basic human rights, but those people are just a bit touched in the head).
February 15th, 2004  
Tessa
 
 
I didn't mean it to sound bad.. I was just curious..

And I can't see why I would be against something like that.

I could have designed better though..

February 15th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: well


In some places it seperates Palestinians from their families(well, very expanded families, some families are entire viliges...)
But mostly its fare enough
February 15th, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
Hm..

Home land security vs. human rights
Not an easy question.

One thing I have learned from working abroad is to try to see the case from both parties side..
And I'll try to do that here..

If I was an Israeli I would probably have that wall to secure my own people..
If I was a Palestinian I would be pi***d off by that wall, and my hatred towards Israel would probably grow even bigger...

I'm afraid that a wall like this is only a temporary security measure..
The Palestinian hate towards Israel will probably increase because of that wall, and the suicide attacks will get more and more intensive..
February 15th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: Ohoh


Hate to go against the rank system...
Listen Admin, as you saw, Im aware of both sides....Now, unfortunatly most of the Israeli public lost faith in our ability to influence the PLO. So, they think attacks will come anyhow. I agree with you that its a temp meassure, that must be complemented by political and diplomatic means. But right now I thik the Palestinians still think they can gain from violence...They are icouraged by people like you(not perposly obvcours) who say things to justify suicide attacks...
February 15th, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
I'm aware that you are aware of both sides. (!?)
I didn't mean i personally against you..
It's just my way of thinking.

I'm totally against the suicide attacks of the Palistinians!!!
There's no cause in the world to justify such acts!

But as I have said before, violence leads to more violence..
I have no idea of what could end the violence down there, but I don't think that any more violence from any of the parties down there will lead to something good, it'll only make it worse...

As I also said: If I lived in Israel I would probably want that wall as well..
But I have learned a bit about the Palestinian way of thinking when I was down there, and I'm afraid that such a wall could make the situation even worse... (more hatred, more volunteers, more suicide attacks etc...)
February 15th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: yes


But, untill a diplomatic solution is available, we have no option but to continue diplomacy in diffrent means