So why do people hate Israel? - Page 3




 
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November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Jeffery Goldberg
Are you sure that you read the article in your Jeffery Goldberg's link? because it also says : "Please don't get me wrong: I'm not equating the morality of the IDF to that of Hamas. The goal of Hamas is to murder innocent people; the goal of the IDF is to avoid murdering innocent people."
November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 84RFK
I'd say Seehund is a typical example as the Scandinavian countries has a long standing tradition of participating in UN peace-keeping missions, even though most have learned from bitter experience that there's often very little peace to be found...

In my opinion, innocence and truth is always the first casualties of a war.

As for fanatics, both sides of that particular conflict seems to have their share of them.
While the fanatics on the Palestinian side appears to be religious in lack og means and knowledge to provide anything else, the fanatics on the Israeli side comes in both the religious and politic fraction.

The latter being the only possible reason I can find for a government supported civillian occupation (and settlement) in the occupied territories.
Couldn't be the latter a result of the former?
November 30th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
Are you sure that you read the article in your Jeffery Goldberg's link? because it also says : "Please don't get me wrong: I'm not equating the morality of the IDF to that of Hamas. The goal of Hamas is to murder innocent people; the goal of the IDF is to avoid murdering innocent people."
Well, your memory certainly hasn't improved has it? Evidence has clearly shown that part of his statement to be incorrect,

Israeli Army "protecting" Innocent Civilians


But, having said what he did, he still condemns the Israelis. It says a lot doesn't it?
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November 30th, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
Couldn't be the latter a result of the former?
I sincerely hope that it's not the case, or we would have to redefine Israel from a democracy to a theocracy...
November 30th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
This might start to give you a small inkling as to why the Zionists are despised by the world.

Meet the Peaceloving settlers
November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Well, your memory certainly hasn't improved has it? Evidence has clearly shown that part of his statement to be incorrect,

But, having said what he did, he still condemns the Israelis. It says a lot doesn't it?
No, it says a lot about you. You quote someone and the things you like is truth and the things you don't like is rubbish. Like I said before, you are biased and you don't have a clear view on this conflict.

This is also a nice example of how media itself can be manipulated by readers who just pick out what they like. They won't understand what they read, they are just looking for some words, sentences that they love and by doing so distort the whole picture.

You hate Israel because you are anti-jew.
November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
This might start to give you a small inkling as to why the Zionists are despised by the world.
You're making a fool of yourself. Like I said before, any of your pictures or clips can be countered by other pictures and clips. Your "evidence" is just capturing a moment in time and place. There are pictures and clips of people doing crimes in Australia, does that mean that all Australians are criminals? Ever seen the video of the tearing down of the Saddam statue un Bagdad? See how happy all those Iraquis are?... See what I mean?
November 30th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 84RFK
I sincerely hope that it's not the case, or we would have to redefine Israel from a democracy to a theocracy...
I would not state it that way. I would say it shows the disadvantages of the democracy as we know it, where a minority can have a greater effect on policy than their vote-results gave them.
November 30th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
No, it says a lot about you. You quote someone and the things you like is truth and the things you don't like is rubbish. Like I said before, you are biased and you don't have a clear view on this conflict.
Of course I don't suppose it even occurred to you, that perhaps I like things because they are true and dislike things purely because they are rubbish., or are you trying to tell us that I am unlike yourself, in that you do like rubbish? The illogicality of your statements amaze me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
This is also a nice example of how media itself can be manipulated by readers who just pick out what they like. They won't understand what they read, they are just looking for some words, sentences that they love and by doing so distort the whole picture.
It's a little hard to "manipulate" video evidence, are you trying to imply that i somehow changed what was filmed? It's unfortunate for your argument that my evidence also just happens to be true, isn't it, having also been reported by the world Press?

Would you care to explain to us all, how you interpret, being shot by the Israeli army whilst going about you daily work as supporting your argument that the army's goal is to avoid killing innocent civilians? It's a known and admitted fact (by members of the military), that this type of act is at worst encouraged, and at the very least, ignored by the IDF.

Here's the latest occurrence of this indiscriminate "terrorise the civil population" game still being played by the IDF.
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Originally Posted by Farming under fire
Friday, April 22, 2011 Israeli forces shoot farmer in northern Gaza, Oxfam reports that Israel has closed off 30% of agricultural land, majority of animal production area

Ma'an
– A farmer was hospitalized Thursday after Israeli soldiers shot him as he worked on his land in northern Gaza, medics said.

The 45-year-old man was
shot in his stomach in the Abu Safieyah area of Beit Lahiya and transferred to the Kamal Adwan Hospital, medical services spokesman Adham Abu Salmiya said.

Abu Salmiya added that
Israeli soldiers open fire on residents of Beit Lahiya almost daily.
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
You hate Israel because you are anti-jew.
I am Jewish (by birth), I am also a fully paid up member of several Jewish groups, including the Melbourne Branch of the Australian Jewish Genealogical Society, where I am both well known, and apparently held in reasonable regard by my peers, having been invited on a number of occasions to celebrate the Passover and other Simchas with them at their homes, several being relatives. I also still have a number of relatives living in Israel. As I have said on several occasions, "you are an idiot of the first order" who seemingly can't wait to prove it to anyone who'll listen to you.

For a start, you don't even know the difference between an anti Semite, an anti Jew and an anti Zionist or is it that like so many Zionists you try to blur the lines to cover your own guilt?

Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
You're making a fool of yourself. Like I said before, any of your pictures or clips can be countered by other pictures and clips. Your "evidence" is just capturing a moment in time and place. There are pictures and clips of people doing crimes in Australia, does that mean that all Australians are criminals? Ever seen the video of the tearing down of the Saddam statue un Bagdad? See how happy all those Iraquis are?... See what I mean?
That sounds like the defence of a very worried man, because you know that for every single video of an alleged atrocity that you can find, I can find dozens and dozens often showing the actual atrocity being committed.
It's more than "what" I post, it is the pure volume of evidence I can post that will drown your pathetic efforts. As I have always pointed the sheer number of UN resolutions raised against Israel is ample proof that they are indeed the worlds newest rogue state. Your efforts would be like comparing a person with a parking fine, against the boss of an organised crime syndicate. LOL
December 1st, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 

Topic: Israel supplied arms to Argentina


Israel 'supplied arms to Argentina during Falklands War' The same people who gave refuge to NAZI war criminals.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...lands-War.html

Israel secretly supplied arms and equipment to Argentina during the Falklands War due to Prime Minister Menachem Begin's personal hatred of the British, a new book discloses.

Air to air missiles, missile radar alert systems, fuel tanks for fighter bombers and gas masks were dispatched from Israel apparently destined for Peru but were then transported on to*Argentina, it claims.
As the British Task Force sent to reclaim the islands after the 1982 Argentine invasion of the*Falklands*began to get the upper hand, Argentina's ruling military junta was left with few choices from which to source replacements for equipment lost in war.
But according to 'Operation Israel: the rearming of Argentina during the dictatorship (1976/1983)' the junta found that Begin was willing to strike an agreement.
Interviews conducted by the author of the book, the Argentine journalist Hernan Dobry, reveal that Begin saw the deals as a form of revenge for the hanging of a personal friend, Dov Gruner, by the British Mandatory Authorities in Palestine in 1947.
After the Argentine Air Force contacted Isrex, the Israeli defence company, a meeting was arranged between representatives of the company and Begin.

Israel Lotersztain, a salesman for Isrex Argentina, said Begin interrupted the Isrex officials as they tried to explain the situation, saying: "You've come to talk badly about the British. Is this going to be used to kill the English? Kadima (go ahead).
"Dov [Gruner] up there is going to be happy with the decision. Obviously, it must be all done perfectly."

Gruner was sentenced to death for his part in an attack on a police station by Irgun, the Zionist underground paramilitary movement which Begin commanded before the state of Israel was established.
As he awaited hanging, he wrote a letter to Begin, thanking him for his support and emphasising his belief in Irgun.

"He [Begin] hated the English above all; everyone had forgotten the British occupation, but not him" according to Lotersztain.

His colleague Jaime Weinstein agreed, saying: "He did all that was possible to help Argentina, selling her weapons during the Malvinas [the Argentine name for the Falklands] conflict."
Israel needed a third party to help with the deal so that the British would not know that it was helping Argentina and this is where Peru, despite the fact that it had tried to broker a peace plan which Argentina rejected, came in.

Dobry reveals that Fernando Belaunde Therry, the Peruvian president, authorised Israel to transport arms and equipment to Lima and Callao, Peru's main port, before being secretly flown to Buenos Aires aboard Aerolineas Argentinas planes.

The Peruvian Air Force signed blank purchase orders, which enabled Argentina to request whatever they needed from Israel.

"The task was to support them in everything we could, and there was no problem to sign a purchase order," said a high-ranking Peruvian officer.
According to the book, which has been previewed in the Argentine newspaper La Nacion, larger planes than the Peruvian Air Force could provide were needed for some heavier equipment leading to the involvement of a Belgian company using the Luxembourg flag which was approved by Mossad.

However, British intelligence services kept track of aircraft landing in Peru and even photographed some of the arrivals.

"A newspaper once published a picture showing the loading on to an Aerolineas Argentinas plane and the British ambassador in Israel took the photo to Begin and hell broke out," said Lotersztain.

"They were aware of the whole operation to the extent that sometimes when we discussed whether
some supplies had arrived we would say, 'let's ask the English'".

There were five flights in total from Tel Aviv to Buenos Aires via Lima, loaded with equipment such as gas masks, radar warning systems to prevent fire from enemy missiles, air to air missiles, duvet jackets and spare parts.

Additional fuel tanks for fighter bombers supplied by Israel were particularly important for Argentina's war effort as they enabled pilots to fly to the Falklands and return to the Argentine mainland without stopping.

Dobry discovered that Israel sent 1,500-litre tanks rather than the standard 1,300-litre models and writes that this meant the British Task Force had to move its fleet further east to prevent further bombings.

"The Jewish state was not only willing to supply the government of Leopoldo Fortunato Galtieri in everything it needed but was also proactive in advising and conveying their experiences in combat," said Dobry.

For all their help, the Argentine's still lost
 


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