Originally Posted by VDKMS

The only thing you see and are looking for are announcements and articles about anti-zionism and minimizing Palestinian attacks. That's the small picture. Did you know that Palestinian support for those attacks are very minimal?

Just as i would have only quoted anti Nazi material back when they were the pariahs of the world. Why exactly would or should i quote things that were not anti Zionist, if such an unlikely thing could be found? I also realise that there is even less worldwide support for Israeli attacks, even the US is now sick of them and complains.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

Yes I did, in my post #75 from tread About Arabs in the Israeli Army (Page 8)
and I quote:
"You said : "Wikipedia being a site where the Jewish pro Zionist group CAMERA are known to operate"
This argument is invalid because it was exposed in 2008"

Which in no way showed the statement to be untrue nor did it prevent them and other groups from continuing. Your style is remarkably similar to that described in the Zionist description of how to skew the facts, LOL.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

In a report just released on its Web site, Honest Reporting claims that Electronic Intifada, and not CAMERA, is “manipulating Wikipedia to achieve its ideological goals.”
"A closer look at Wikipedia’s inner workings, however, reveals there is more to the story. Research carried out by Social Media expert Dr. Andre Oboler, a Legacy Heritage Fellow at NGO Monitor, reveals that it was EI, not CAMERA, that manipulated Wikipedia to achieve its ideological goals."

LOL,... What would you expect, the article was "researched" by the Director of Online Engagement at the Zionist Federation of Australia. It would be like asking Goebbels for an honest assessment of any criticism of Nazi policy.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

Learn your history. Almost everyone was dirt poor during that period because of famine , diseases and wars. BTW Poland did not exists in the 20th century.

Read Prussia or any of a number of various names that European states have been known under throughout that period. And what you pointed out in no way discredits the fact that it was certainly not jealousy.
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As for the subject of this thread here's another clue as to why the Israeli regime is hated. These are Israeli citizens, what must it be like for the Palestinians? All that is needed are Black uniforms, some SS runes and perhaps a Death's head badge. and we could have been transported back 70 years.

Jewish Dissent against Zionist Regime

Originally Posted by senojekips

Just as i would have only quoted anti Nazi material back when they were the pariahs of the world. Why exactly would or should i quote things that were not anti Zionist, if such an unlikely thing could be found? I also realise that there is even less worldwide support for Israeli attacks, even the US is now sick of them and complains.

That unlikeley thing can be found more than you think.
Almost everyone agrees with the Israeli right of retaliation, what they differ on is the severity of it.

Which in no way showed the statement to be untrue nor did it prevent them and other groups from continuing. Your style is remarkably similar to that described in the Zionist description of how to skew the facts, LOL.

The only thing true is that they were exposed (by Electronic Intefada). I you read the emails it is not about distorting the facts but correcting them. I quote part of the first email: "What if you could ensure accuracy and fairness directly in one of the Internet's most visited Web sites, without relying on reporters, editors or publishers? In fact, you can." They were faulted for working off-line, conspiring to make changes in a way that goes against the democratic culture of Wikipedia. They were not faulted for distorting the facts.

On the other hand there is a complaint to IRS against Electronic Intifada:
1 The presentation of viewpoints unsupported by facts is a significant part of the organization's communications.
2 The facts that purport to support the viewpoint are distorted.
3 The organization's presentations make substantial use of inflammatory and disparaging terms and express conclusions more on the basis of emotion than of objective evaluations.

LOL,... What would you expect, the article was "researched" by the Director of Online Engagement at the Zionist Federation of Australia. It would be like asking Goebbels for an honest assessment of any criticism of Nazi policy.

The truth is the truth, no matter who says it. BTW you can read all the evidence on the log pages of wikipedia.

Read Prussia or any of a number of various names that European states have been known under throughout that period. And what you pointed out in no way discredits the fact that it was certainly not jealousy.

Then what is it?

As for the subject of this thread here's another clue as to why the Israeli regime is hated. These are Israeli citizens, what must it be like for the Palestinians? All that is needed are Black uniforms, some SS runes and perhaps a Death's head badge. and we could have been transported back 70 years.

That's your opinion but here are the facts:
Israel ranks #8 among happiest countries. Look here : Table: The World's Happiest Countries

Originally Posted by VDKMS

That's your opinion but here are the facts:
Israel ranks #8 among happiest countries. Look here : Table: The World's Happiest Countries

I didn't think anyone could produce a more half arsed set of figures than that.
A) If New Zealand rates as 6th and Australia 8th why is it that New Zealanders are heading to Australia as fast as possible and not vice versa?

B) How the hell can Israel or in fact all of the Middle East be classed as an Asian nation?

I think that data fall squarely into the category of "lies, Damn lies and statistics"

Originally Posted by VDKMS

That unlikeley thing can be found more than you think.
Almost everyone agrees with the Israeli right of retaliation, what they differ on is the severity of it.

That may be a great opinion if you are a Zionist, however the truth is all about you. I would say that in reallity, only the US agrees with you and even that is under sufferance, and maybe their allies pay lip service to the US, but the fact remains every one of them including the US has strenuously objected on a diplomatic level to Israel's actions. So much for your views.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

The only thing true is that they were exposed (by Electronic Intefada). I you read the emails it is not about distorting the facts but correcting them. I quote part of the first email: "What if you could ensure accuracy and fairness directly in one of the Internet's most visited Web sites, without relying on reporters, editors or publishers? In fact, you can." They were faulted for working off-line, conspiring to make changes in a way that goes against the democratic culture of Wikipedia. They were not faulted for distorting the facts.

And we've all had the chance to experience the Zionist impression of accuracy and fairness, haven't we? The fact that they secretly conspired to alter the truth is a good indication of their intent. Unfortunately their idea of these values is almost totally opposed to that of the non Zionist world. They are caughtout lying almost constantly, (see the last answer in this post) and if they were even vaguely "fair' we wouldn't even be having this debate. Tell me how you "fairly" steal the land and possessions of another people, then harass, beat, and murder their women and children for 60 years.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

The truth is the truth, no matter who says it. BTW you can read all the evidence on the log pages of wikipedia.

Never a truer word spoken and that is exactly where your argument falls on it's head. Virtually none of it is true as we have seen all along. A network of small lies and distortion used to support ever more and bigger lies, repeated ad infinitum in the hope that it will somehow miraculously become accepted as the truth. The trouble being that the evidence on the ground clearly makes a mockery of their tissue of lies and distortions, and those who watch have long memories.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

Then what is it?

Maybe my answer below will give you a clue. Here you state that Israel is a happy place. The very fact that they can be so smugly complacent in the face of world condemnation, indicates that they live in a world of total denial. In this respect they remind me of the recent public outpourings of "public grief" in North Korea for their dear departed great leader.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

That's your opinion but here are the facts:
Israel ranks #8 among happiest countries. Look here : Table: The World's Happiest Countries

This is absolutely typical of most of the "facts" that you quote. I would compare this with the apparent "happiness" observed in many of the mentally deficient, a "dribbling" mindless happiness born of the total inability or unwillingness to recognise the awful truth.

After all, these are the people who in the same breath state that they live in constant daily fear, a fear of their Arab neighbours,... of suicide bombers, Qassam rockets, mortar bombs, and the likelihood of extreme violence. So,... either they are, in complete denial of the facts, outright liars or less likely, mentally deficient. Whatever way you look at it, there's a glaring flaw in their story through which the non Zionist world can clearly see that they are deliberately lying.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I didn't think anyone could produce a more half arsed set of figures than that.
A) If New Zealand rates as 6th and Australia 8th why is it that New Zealanders are heading to Australia as fast as possible and not vice versa?

B) How the hell can Israel or in fact all of the Middle East be classed as an Asian nation?

I think that data fall squarely into the category of "lies, Damn lies and statistics"

A) The list is going in order from thriving to less thriving, not on a ratio (thriving to Struggling) scale, so your point in invalid. Just because a country is thriving do not mean people will not want to leave that country..

B) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia, I seriously hope you weren't serious with this one... Israel isn't considered an Asian country politically, but geographically, it is one.


Soooo, now that I just proved what you said wrong, are you still going to call it lies? While I agree most statistics are not completely accurate, statistics are mainly to get as close to accuracy as possible (of course that is assuming the person that researched it, didnt distort it). Most statistics are picked out to make sure its in favor of what the person who did the statistic believes. Still, you can't just call it a lie without being able to prove it is one, otherwise you would just be lying to yourself (this is why the Evolution theory is still in place). Nothing can disprove it, so its still quite alive until proven or disproven.

What the f**k are you talking about?

You managed to take an unverifiable figure, ignore a fact that invalidates it without even knowing the reason many New Zealanders leave for Australia (I will give you a clue middle management and lower end salaries are roughly 35% higher there, it has a better climate and more opportunity and oddly enough Australians are considered more "positive" than New Zealanders) the fact is that economically (which leads to many other types of "thriving") Australia is "out thriving" New Zealand and yet ends up two positions lower than us?

Now here is another starter for 10, What continents are Australia and New Zealand part of ?

Originally Posted by MontyB

I didn't think anyone could produce a more half arsed set of figures than that.
A) If New Zealand rates as 6th and Australia 8th why is it that New Zealanders are heading to Australia as fast as possible and not vice versa?

B) How the hell can Israel or in fact all of the Middle East be classed as an Asian nation?

I think that data fall squarely into the category of "lies, Damn lies and statistics"

First of all this poll has nothing to do with immigration or emigration.

Second Israel is part of the continent Asia. There is no such continent as Middle East. The Middle East is a region.

This poll went about by surveying thousands of respondents in 155 countries, between 2005 and 2009, in order to measure two types of well-being. (in case you didn't read it). The opinion of those people are not lies nor damn lies nor statistics.

Originally Posted by senojekips

That may be a great opinion if you are a Zionist, however the truth is all about you. I would say that in reallity, only the US agrees with you and even that is under sufferance, and maybe their allies pay lip service to the US, but the fact remains every one of them including the US has strenuously objected on a diplomatic level to Israel's actions. So much for your views.

More countries supported the Israeli retaliation (you call it attack, which it wasn't) on Gaza than the Hamas attacks (I know you call firing rockets at a civilian town, defense). Your country was among the supporters.

And we've all had the chance to experience the Zionist impression of accuracy and fairness, haven't we? The fact that they secretly conspired to alter the truth is a good indication of their intent. Unfortunately their idea of these values is almost totally opposed to that of the non Zionist world. They are caughtout lying almost constantly, (see the last answer in this post) and if they were even vaguely "fair' we wouldn't even be having this debate. Tell me how you "fairly" steal the land and possessions of another people, then harass, beat, and murder their women and children for 60 years.

Again you distort the facts, their intention was not to alter the truth but to correct them. See their private emails.
About lying. Read my replies on your distorted facts , or quotes, some totally invented with links to a book where the quote is not even written in it. Altering words, leaving out sentences and pulling things out of it context. Saying a lot of stuf wothout backing it up with facts. Showing a video about violence or the opinion of someone only proves a certain fact (if not manipulated like I have shown you) at a certain time at a certain place and does not necessarily prove it generally occurs. Your last sentence is grossly exaggerated.

Never a truer word spoken and that is exactly where your argument falls on it's head. Virtually none of it is true as we have seen all along. A network of small lies and distortion used to support ever more and bigger lies, repeated ad infinitum in the hope that it will somehow miraculously become accepted as the truth. The trouble being that the evidence on the ground clearly makes a mockery of their tissue of lies and distortions, and those who watch have long memories.
Maybe my answer below will give you a clue. Here you state that Israel is a happy place. The very fact that they can be so smugly complacent in the face of world condemnation, indicates that they live in a world of total denial. In this respect they remind me of the recent public outpourings of "public grief" in North Korea for their dear departed great leader.

Show me where my lies are. Show me that the facts I listed are not true. Up until now you have not because you can't. Saying that they are lies or distorted facts is just not good enough.

This is absolutely typical of most of the "facts" that you quote. I would compare this with the apparent "happiness" observed in many of the mentally deficient, a "dribbling" mindless happiness born of the total inability or unwillingness to recognise the awful truth.

It is not because you don't like it that it isn't true.

After all, these are the people who in the same breath state that they live in constant daily fear, a fear of their Arab neighbours,... of suicide bombers, Qassam rockets, mortar bombs, and the likelihood of extreme violence. So,... either they are, in complete denial of the facts, outright liars or less likely, mentally deficient. Whatever way you look at it, there's a glaring flaw in their story through which the non Zionist world can clearly see that they are deliberately lying.

No country is so many times attacked by so many nations in such a short period of time. ( and won).
People like you make things only worse. I have given you some examples about people (Jews and Arabs) working toghether. Not one word of you how that can promote peace. Like I said before, you don't (or refuse) to see the big picture. You support the 5% that want violence, I support the 90% that want peace. The other 5% haven't made their mind up yet.

Originally Posted by MontyB

What the f**k are you talking about?

You managed to take an unverifiable figure, ignore a fact that invalidates it without even knowing the reason many New Zealanders leave for Australia (I will give you a clue middle management and lower end salaries are roughly 35% higher there, it has a better climate and more opportunity and oddly enough Australians are considered more "positive" than New Zealanders) the fact is that economically (which leads to many other types of "thriving") Australia is "out thriving" New Zealand and yet ends up two positions lower than us?

Now here is another starter for 10, What continents are Australia and New Zealand part of ?

First, you haven't read the report. Please do so.

Australia and New Zealand are part of the continent Oceania. (16 countries, 14 Dependencies and other territories)

What the hell happened to the orginal topic?