So why do people hate Israel? - Page 157




 
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December 3rd, 2013  
CooperDan
 
I am not even going to answer the question in this thread.

What I am finding fascinating is how much time and energy people always put into the Israel and Palestine conflict. And also how people take it extremely personal, like what do you expect, that you have found the objective truth about the whole situation? It's a 50 year long and complex conflict so please, have some humility that thing's aren't all black or white.
December 3rd, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
That's the type of answer that has encouraged this situation to develop for over 65 years and will allow it to keep bumbling on. No one will admit that there is an elephant in the room.

It's not a complex situation either legally or morally, and it's costing Americans more than most, killing and maiming many of your most prized young men and women, not to mention the enormous financial strain it is placing on your country, a country that at this moment, is technically bankrupt.

But, I suppose it distracts the taxpayers from wondering why their politicians are not actually doing much for their country. If it were any other country, the US would have invaded or bombed them back into the Dark Ages.
December 5th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
This sums it up about as well as anything I've ever read or heard.

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December 6th, 2013  
MontyB
 
 
Odd seems Israelis do recognise Palestinians (yes VD that would be the group you say don't exist) and some of them even seem to be grasping the realities of the situation and know that they are an occupation force as well.

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Israeli former security chief: failure to end conflict is bigger threat than Iran Yuval Diskin says two-state solution will soon no longer be possible and Palestinian youths are 'frustrated and hopeless'
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
theguardian.com, Thursday 5 December 2013 09.17 GMT

Yuval Diskin, former head of Shin Bet, called for a freeze in settlement expansion. Photograph: Dan Balilty/AP

The failure to reach a deal to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict poses a bigger existential threat to Israel than the Iranian nuclear programme, according a former head of the country's security agency, Shin Bet.
Yuval Diskin, who left office two years ago, criticised the continuing occupation and the growth of settlements in the West Bank, saying a solution based on two states would soon no longer be an option.
"I would like to know that our national home has clear borders and that we hold the people sacred, not the land. I would like to see a national home that is not maintained by occupying another people. I say this even though it's not popular: we need an agreement now, before we reach a point of no return from which the two-state solution is not an option any longer," Diskin said in a speech to mark the 10th anniversary of the Geneva Initiative, a peace plan proposed by Israeli and Palestinian politicians and public figures.
The former security chief, who featured in the Oscar-nominated documentary The Gatekeepers, added: "We cannot live in one state between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea and we cannot treat the conflict as shrapnel in the backside." He was referring to comments by the economy minister Naftali Bennett, who dismissed the conflict as "shrapnel in [the] rear end".
Diskin called for a freeze in settlement expansion, saying that the release of long-serving Palestinian prisoners, agreed by the prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, before the current talks began, was "a disgusting and cynical move that was born out of a desire to avoid freezing settlement construction".
Speaking as the US secretary of state, John Kerry, arrived in Jerusalem for a fresh push at unblocking the current talks process, Diskin warned of the consequences of the Israeli government's stance.
"It doesn't seem like the current government is trying to change the direction of the settlement enterprise. Our friends in the world are becoming frustrated with the implementation of the two-state solution. There is immense frustration in the West Bank. The Palestinians are feeling that their state is being stolen from them. The Palestinian masses feel they have no future. We must take into account the link between the Palestinians and their brothers, the Israeli Arabs. The concentration of fuel fumes in the air is such that even a small spark can cause a massive explosion."
Palestinian youths "that were born into occupation are distressed, frustrated and hopeless", he added.
Diskin has repeatedly criticised Israeli government policy since leaving the Shin Bet, which runs security and intelligence operations in the West Bank and Gaza. His comments were dismissed by serving officials as "recycled criticism and self-righteous preaching". Diskin was "out of touch with reality", they said.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ct-threat-iran
December 7th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 

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December 7th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
Palestinian teenager shot dead by Israeli sniper near Ramallah
Published today (updated) 07/12/2013 22:08

(MaanImages)
RAMALLAH (Ma'an) -- A Palestinian teenager was shot dead by Israeli soldiers in al-Jalazun refugee camp near Ramallah on Saturday.

Wajih Wajdi al-Ramahi, 14, was shot with live bullets in the back by an Israeli sniper in front of his school.

Al-Ramahi was taken to the hospital, and placed in the ICU until he died.

Locals told Ma'an that the area where al-Ramahi was shot had no clashes or any kind of rock-throwing incidents that might have provoked the killing.

The teenager father's said Israeli soldiers target youths and kill them, in order to amuse themselves.

He added that his son was shot by an Israeli soldier from a watchtower in Bet El with one bullet while he was walking near a school in the camp. He was hit directly in the back, and there was no clashes in the area, he added.

Al-Ramahi family said that their son was "executed" and "assassinated in cold blood," because he was shot in the middle of the day in the camp.

An Israeli spokeswoman said that they had opened an investigation into the matter, but had no further details.


More than 30 Palestinians have been killed so far in 2013 by Israeli forces.
December 9th, 2013  
VDKMS
 
As usual conflicting reports. Maan and Walla say the boy was 14, AFP and activists on Twitter put the boy’s age at 15. Others said he was 13.
Some say he was in front of the school (which one?) another said he came from the supermarket. His father blamed it on soldiers in a watch tower while two friends of the victim said Israeli soldiers came from behind a fence and opend fire. His father cleared the body for an autopsy and Palestinian authorities agreed. It should have been done sunday morning. Where are the results??? If it was an Israeli bullet then it would have been already shown.

We al know that when a Palestinian dies the first thing they say is Israel did it and start posting pictures. Then follows the "investigation". Usually without any confirmation of what happend.

The Israeli approach is much more professional. They first investigate and then give the facts how it happend.

What Is It Like to Be Attacked By Rocks?
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Israel Puts Conflict Aside To Save Palestinian Lives
According to a 2012 World Health Organization report, Israel approved 91.5 percent of Palestinian applications from Gaza to receive medical care in Israel proper, while an additional 7.2 percent were approved pending a security check. In total, 210,469 Palestinians received medical treatment inside Israel proper in 2012. This statistic includes 20 Palestinian children who were in need of marrow transplants, kidney transplants, and other life saving operations that the Palestinian Authority did not have the ability to perform.


The Israel Defense Forces has become the first army in the world to use powdered blood products in field operations.

The lucky one? a Palestinian Arab with internal bleeding following an auto accident. The man recovered at Hadassah Hospital and has since been discharged.

But the IFD not only helps Palestinians. So many Syrians have sought help from Israel that the IDF has set-up an army field hospital near the border fence, similar to that employed in Haiti after the earthquake.
December 9th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
What's it like to be attacked by rocks?.... Well, it's nothing like being attacked by Armed infantry who use Palestinian farmers and children for target practice, nor is it like being attacked with white phosphorus shells and helicopters and jets with bombs and guided missiles, Just for resisting the illegal occupation of your land.

The simple answer being that if you don't like kids throwing stones at you, get the fcuk out of their land.

I see you studiously avoided noting that of the 210,469 Palestinians treated by Israel, that had Israel have not illegally occupied their land,... none of them would have been injured in the first place. Typical Israeli Hasbara, first you steal their land murdering their women and children, and killing those who resist, then you try to take credit just for doing what is called for under the Geneva conventions.

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Palestinian sources reported on Thursday that a Palestinian child has died at an Israeli occupation checkpoint that is known as "the Container" and which separates the central West Bank from the south. The sources said that the Israeli soldiers stationed at the checkpoint had stopped Palestinian vehicles for three straight hours, which led to the death of Nour Afaneh, a 14-year-old girl with special needs from the town of Abu Dis in East Jerusalem. The sources explained that the car was carrying Afaneh to Beit Jala Hospital to receive treatment in Bethlehem, however it was not allowed to pass through the checkpoint due to the backlog of traffic, leading to her death. Eyewitnesses noted that the traffic was caused when the Israeli soldiers began a thorough search of the Palestinian vehicles, inspecting their identities cards and delaying them without any apparent reason.

VD, you are a "weapons grade" ******.
December 14th, 2013  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
What's it like to be attacked by rocks?.... Well, it's nothing like being attacked by Armed infantry who use Palestinian farmers and children for target practice, nor is it like being attacked with white phosphorus shells and helicopters and jets with bombs and guided missiles, Just for resisting the illegal occupation of your land.
Bombs and rockets are fired at Gaza (not the West Bank) in retaliation, not attack. Gaza is not occupied. The West Bank was occupied and illegaly annexed by Jordan. Israel liberated it in a defensive war. It was Israel that gave the Palestinians their first country ever in their history: the PA.


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The simple answer being that if you don't like kids throwing stones at you, get the fcuk out of their land.
So throwing rocks at tourist is allowed? How in the hell can they know who is driving that car! In EVERY country kids who throw rocks at cars are arrested, ONLY in the PA they are encouraged to do so.

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I see you studiously avoided noting that of the 210,469 Palestinians treated by Israel, that had Israel have not illegally occupied their land,... none of them would have been injured in the first place. Typical Israeli Hasbara, first you steal their land murdering their women and children, and killing those who resist, then you try to take credit just for doing what is called for under the Geneva conventions.
Most of them were sick, not injured.
Stealing their land? Israel gave it to them. They used to live in the Ottoman Empire. Neither the British nor the Jordanians gave them a new land when they were able to do so. When the UN gave one to them they refused. It was Israel that gave them the PA!

Murdering their women and children?

Liike this one:

Killed by their own Hamas rocket after first blaming Israel.

Or this one:

Same story.

And what about this: Hamas Schools Teaching Children How to Kill Israelis–with Real Guns

I know, you won't read that article because it doesn't fit your thinking. That's why you know so little about it, you only read the lies.

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Why didn't they tell the soldiers it was urgent? There are countless of examples that they let people in need of medical aid through. 210,469 Palestinians did it in 2012, that's almost 580 people a day.
Or why didn't he called an ambulance? The Palestinian ones are the fastest in the world. In pallywood videos they even arrive the moment the victim gets hurt!
December 14th, 2013  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VD
Bombs and rockets are fired at Gaza (not the West Bank) in retaliation, not attack. Gaza is not occupied. The West Bank was occupied and illegaly annexed by Jordan. Israel liberated it in a defensive war. It was Israel that gave the Palestinians their first country ever in their history: the PA.
Well, we can stop right there. Israel never gave anyone anything, because it was never theirs to give.

The illegitimate State of Israel is still no more than occupied Palestine, as has been shown time and time again. Remember Resolution 181 was only at best a recommendation that was never ratified because it contravened both International Law and the Mandate for Palestine.

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Originally Posted by VD
An excellent idea to rid their land of the vermin infesting it, so,... what about it?



Yep,.... you are a certifiable idiot, not worth the time of day.
 


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