I heard that Georgia was interested in war for faster become to the NATO
USA was interested for McCane popolarity and Russia interested to reabilitate her millitary strenght and show that they are tough


and what is the really story of the war ?

Well, who knows.

I am a bit skeptical of the "South Ossetia and Abkhazia should be free" reason that Russia claims.

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

I heard that Georgia was interested in war for faster become to the NATO
USA was interested for McCane popolarity and Russia interested to reabilitate her millitary strenght and show that they are tough


and what is the really story of the war ?

There's multiple sides to it.

1. Georgia was a potential route for a gas pipeline that could threaten Russian energetic dominance (reason for Russian intervention)

Basically all the Russian propaganda about Abkasia and Osetia is just smoke cover, they're sitting on the would-be pipeline route sucuring their energetic hold on Europe.

2. Georgian goverment was just stupid and believed Russia would not use the invasion as an excuse.

3. Thats where facts stop and my theory starts: USA encouraged Georgia to attack hinting it would support them but in reality they knew Russia would invade, their goal was to cut Europe off from non-Russian gas.

US is not happy about EU, the potential superstate could challenge their dominance so they try to play Russia against EU and thats the best way they could do it.

There's multiple sides to it.

1. Georgia was a potential route for a gas pipeline that could threaten Russian energetic dominance (reason for Russian intervention)

And Russia actually get a bit nervous about the Nato taking in all its neighbours. As the USA would id Canada and mexico had joined the warsaw pakt.

Basically all the Russian propaganda about Abkasia and Osetia is just smoke cover, they're sitting on the would-be pipeline route sucuring their energetic hold on Europe.

Well, neither russia, nor the USA or even germany actually gives a **** about some small countries they pretend to "protect". Just look at this farce in afghanistan. Democracy? With these manipulated elections? Human rights, when a Karzai gouvernment makes laws about females rights wich far outpass even the Taliban?

2. Georgian goverment was just stupid and believed Russia would not use the invasion as an excuse.

Yup, actually unbelivable stupid. I mean, they have been part of the soviet union for ages and still didn't get it?

3. Thats where facts stop and my theory starts: USA encouraged Georgia to attack hinting it would support them but in reality they knew Russia would invade, their goal was to cut Europe off from non-Russian gas.

You could have a point here. Also a current pipeline goes straight through poland, one of the greatest USA Supporters in east europe and they arent leased about the projects to have piplines left and right of them.

US is not happy about EU, the potential superstate could challenge their dominance so they try to play Russia against EU and thats the best way they could do it.

Could be, if you take into account that France, England and germany had quite good lelations to russia in the past, even if allianced used to change from time to time. Especially germany does quite some business with russia right now. And than there are, as I said, some former warsaw pakt states, like poland or georgia, who are rather great fans of the usa and have some, understandable, issues with russia. All in all, a quite complex situation.

So USA Goal was to cut Russian GAS out of Europe ???

And today everybody accusing Georgia in invasion to South Osetia ???
I guess you right=>Georgians so stupid !!

but I can't understand the connection to the NATO.
how that war would accelerate Georgia to NATO ? (I mean if i was NATO I wouldn't take them).


And one more question Why USA interested to put Russia as a main threat ???

wouldn't it be better to unite USA and Russia against real Threats ???
The cold war is over , Russia is weak today , and there is Countries that really have to worry about.

>So USA Goal was to cut Russian GAS out of Europe ???

Rather playing around a bit and causing some inconveniance.

And today everybody accusing Georgia in invasion to South Osetia ???
I guess you right=>Georgians so stupid !!

Uhm, well, they actually did. We could argue about South Ossetias Right to declare themself independend, but thats not the point here. Status Quo was a South ossetia invaded by georgian troops. Please keep in Mind I'm not saying one site was wrong and the other right.

but I can't understand the connection to the NATO.
how that war would accelerate Georgia to NATO ? (I mean if i was NATO I wouldn't take them).

It's a bit complicated, one one hand, Georgia was promised Nato membership, mainly by the USA who want more eastern euroean countries in there. On the Other hand, the core euroean countries (maybe I should say the core euroean Nato countries) haven't been that pleased with that idea. So flexing muscles, some certain georgian resident thought, might show these olde euroean countries what mighty ally georgia could be. Backfired a bit.

by the USuporting georgias nato membershi, georgia could have thought the USA will support them when retakking south Ossetia as well. I think it was a mix of the gouvernment being naive, mixed signals from the west, different agendas of the US and The Core EU wich lead georgia to use military force. It should have been clear tat russia would not simply accept 1st: another nato member at its borders, meddeling of the west in what they think is their zone of influence and jeoarding their vital economic interests.

And if they were succeed on this operations what would happen ??

Europe was cut out gas ...
S.Osetia were ruined (yes I understand no body cares about them )...
what's the claim ???

They hoped that europe would think that Russian has problems with gas delivery and going to another countries for gas ??

that would take years no ? to build a pipeline from emirates or whatever ...
I think that pipelines Idea a bit ridiculus ... or there is any point that I miss ?

Originally Posted by darkgreensoldier666

And if they were succeed on this operations what would happen ??

Europe was cut out gas ...
S.Osetia were ruined (yes I understand no body cares about them )...
what's the claim ???

They hoped that europe would think that Russian has problems with gas delivery and going to another countries for gas ??

that would take years no ? to build a pipeline from emirates or whatever ...
I think that pipelines Idea a bit ridiculus ... or there is any point that I miss ?

As I said, it is a bit more than that. Russia belives that this part of the world is its zone as influence, as on the other hand the USA think about south america, carribian and some other parts of the world. Why do you think we have this Cuba Prtoblem?
Than there is poland, great supporter of the usa but pissed about a few attemts to deliver russian gas avoiding transporting it via poland, Than there is the fact that the area including south ossetia and georgia and neighbour countries is full of ressources. To name just a few reasons. Everyone right now tries to get a grip on economically vital ressources. Why do you think ther's no "1st World" nation not meddeling in one or another conflict right now?

Originally Posted by cisco

As I said, it is a bit more than that. Russia belives that this part of the world is its zone as influence, as on the other hand the USA think about south america, carribian and some other parts of the world. Why do you think we have this Cuba Prtoblem?
Than there is poland, great supporter of the usa but pissed about a few attemts to deliver russian gas avoiding transporting it via poland, Than there is the fact that the area including south ossetia and georgia and neighbour countries is full of ressources. To name just a few reasons. Everyone right now tries to get a grip on economically vital ressources. Why do you think ther's no "1st World" nation not meddeling in one or another conflict right now?

Exactly the reason I asked because I don't understand it in a big picture...
Almost all the modern wars are caused by economics ...
in the other hand just after thhe conflict in Georgia Ukraine cut the gas to Europe and I see no claim :-/

and I think USA mistook there because of they shouldn't bet on Georgia.
but there is big goal that USA succed that Warsaw-Pakt getting smaller.

another one I don;t understand why Ukraine join NATO Russia really influencing Ukraine and joining NATO just made them a lot of troubles?