Originally Posted by Whispering Death

Well, to get back to your origional thesis bulldogg, I disagree with you.

The army itself (not congress) has actually tried a number of times to get rid of the M-16 and the army (not congress again) has decided to stick with the M-16. In the 1970s there was the Special Purpose Individual Weapon program which was terminated. And again in the late 1980s you had the Advanced Combat Rifle contest. The ACR program tested a Colt highly modified M-16, a falachet rifel, the H&K G11, and the Steyr Aug: the result was that none of the rifles met the 100% improvement over the M-16 demanded by the army.

The end of the ACR program began OICW program which continues today, still with not a millitary-industry-congress spending spree in 50 years.



So you see bulldogg, replacing the M-16 family is nothing new. If it was motivated out of some kind of corporate greed conspiracy we would have gone through 2 or maybe even 3 rifles already! You seem to forget when calling this "constant replacement" that the M-16 is older than you are, bulldogg! When the M-16 was invented that box you're using to type to me would take up a whole building and the TV came in two colors, black and white.

True. In 83 when the A2 came out the Marines adpoted it first while the Army held out till 86' for something newer, but nothing satisfied them, so they when with the A2.

haha, but is part of ther reason about the Parliment?

Originally Posted by zander_0633

haha, but is part of ther reason about the Parliment?

Not really. Congress really doesn't have a say in what rifle the Army uses and what it can't.

But I thought they have to first pass the bill?

Originally Posted by zander_0633

But I thought they have to first pass the bill?

Yes, but that usually is about the cost of the weapon, not what it looks like and who uses it.

So either way, the troops will get the rifle?

Originally Posted by zander_0633

So either way, the troops will get the rifle?

Usualy. The reason why we don't have the XM8 yet, is cost and some mechanical problems.

The U.S. Military is spend tons of money on programs like the RAH-66 Comanche, which they should have gone through with, but instead threw 14 billion down the toilet.

I heard the Commanche is a success! I had also read some where about the US developing some type of flying Saucer! in the end they abondone the project as the spinning motion casued the pilots to faint after a few hunderd rounds of spinning!

Originally Posted by zander_0633

I heard the Commanche is a success! I had also read some where about the US developing some type of flying Saucer! in the end they abondone the project as the spinning motion casued the pilots to faint after a few hunderd rounds of spinning!

Nope he RAH-66 program was scraped.

Does anyone know how well a m16/m4 handles in cold temperatures?

If not someone should freeze it at and fire it.