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September 10th, 2010  
msaabneh
 
 
those people don't represent Muslims at all.
September 10th, 2010  
LeEnfield
 
 
I remember when the TV News was broadcast and people in many of the muslin countries watched the events of 9/11 unfold they stood and cheered
September 10th, 2010  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
I remember when the TV News was broadcast and people in many of the muslin countries watched the events of 9/11 unfold they stood and cheered
I think that the same could have been said about people in coalition countries when we invaded Iraq.

Just because a country has a proportion of nutters, is hardly an accurate reflection of the whole populace.
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September 10th, 2010  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
I remember when the TV News was broadcast and people in many of the muslin countries watched the events of 9/11 unfold they stood and cheered
I remember a small group in Palestine that did this, but I also remember a poll in Iran that showed that most Iranians condemned the attacks.
September 10th, 2010  
LeMask
 
You heard about the Mossad agents cheering in New York the day of the attack?

They were cheering for a political reason.

The death of the people was just a statistic for them, it's the way we think today that causes these thing...

You dont see innocent people dying, but you see an attack against the big ally of an enemy (Israel). This is why the people were cheering.
September 11th, 2010  
Partisan
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMask
You heard about the Mossad agents cheering in New York the day of the attack?

They were cheering for a political reason.

The death of the people was just a statistic for them, it's the way we think today that causes these thing...

You dont see innocent people dying, but you see an attack against the big ally of an enemy (Israel). This is why the people were cheering.
I remember Muslims protesting in Trafalgar Square over Op Granby, I remember race riots in Toxteth when "black" kids were arrested for the beheading of PC Keith Blaylock, I remember the furor over the shooting of PC Yvonne Fletcher, from the Libyan Embassy, these were all protested about because "innocent" people were involved.

In the case of Op Granby - innocent Iraqis (& muslims) were going to suffer, Keith Blaylock, it was racially motivated arrests on socially deprived youths, Yvonne Fletcher, British Imperialiam threatening Libya - what I don't recall is any huge sense of opportunity to "bash" the minority - rather an opportunity to resolve differences & try to get on a stable footing, making the sacrifices (willing and unwilling) mean something.

So instead of just slinging epithets, perhaps you could actually be part of the solution, instead of another armchair bystander - after all action does speak louder than words.
September 11th, 2010  
MontyB
 
 
Found this kind of interesting...

Nothing new about mosques in New York
By Jerrilynn Dodds, Special to CNN
August 5, 2010 -- Updated 2255 GMT (0655 HKT)

Editor's note: Jerrilynn Dodds is the Dean of Sarah Lawrence College in New York and author of New York Masjid: the Mosques of New York (2002). Her most recent book is Arts of Intimacy: Christians, Jews and Muslims in the Making of Castilian Culture, which she co-authored with Maria Menocal and Abigail Krasner Balbale.

(CNN) -- It's hard to think of a better place for a mosque today than lower Manhattan, near to ground zero. To support the siting of a mosque there is not just deeply American--a declaration of the freedoms we stand for -- it is the continuation of a long and established New York tradition of mosque-building.

In fact, by any historical measure it is absurd to see Cordoba House, a community center that will include a mosque, as a kind of hostile and exotic cultural invasion of the lower east side. Mosques have been part of New York's rich architectural and religious mix for over a century, and today hundreds of thousands of Muslims, many whose New York roots go back generations -- attend the city's more than 100 mosques in the five boroughs.

The Muslims who built these mosques are New Yorkers, blameless in the events of September 11, 2001, and linked to other New Yorkers through the deep shared sense of loss and pain evoked that day. Their mosques, already part of our urban identity, bear witness to the strength of our freedoms, as will the Cordoba House center.

It is likely that Muslims have prayed in New York City for much of its history, and particular buildings have been dedicated to Muslim prayer for over a century.

Muslim slaves from Africa who lived in New York no doubt had places to pray as early as the 18th century, but the first mosque building in New York was likely the one belonging to the American Mohammedan Society in 1907 on Powers Street in Brooklyn.

The Islamic Mission of America constructed its own mosque in 1939, and in 1947 purchased the brownstone where the Masjid Daoud can still be found today.

The number of mosques in the city began to increase significantly in the 1960s after the ratification of the 1965 Immigration Act, which increased immigration from non-European countries with Muslim populations.

Over time, they would range from modest basement prayer halls to elaborate architect-designed buildings. One small mosque in Brooklyn is composed of a dozen neighbors who take turns leading prayer.

The first mosque of a new Muslim community in New York, for example, might simply be a suburban house, like the split-level in Richmond Hills, Queens that served as the Masjid Hazrat-i-abu Bakr in the 1990s. With time, the community might gather the funds to construct a more elaborate building, like Masjid Hazrat-i-abu Bakr's grander building today at the same location.

Many mosques in New York City are built and financed by the community members themselves; some donate materials or work or money. The Ali Pasha Mosque in Astoria, and the Albanian Cultural center in Staten Island were completed in the 1990's with the help of the contracting and manual labor of their communities.

A new mosque can result in the building up of a neighborhood. Fatih Camii was fashioned from an old building in Sunset Park, Brooklyn, and a representative of the New York Police's 66th Precinct commented to me in the 1990's that the mosque had revitalized the neighborhood: "Since the congregation renovated the building and began to function, the entire neighborhood has profited."

This is surely the case with the Masjid Malcolm Shabazz, a renovation of the former Lenox Casino in Harlem by architect Sabbath Brown in 1965. There the addition of dome marks the presence not only of a mosque, but a school and other community services that make it a beacon in the neighborhood.

The mosque's community has been instrumental in constructing low income housing and supporting the economic revitalization of Harlem. Mosques as community centers all around New York provide day care, help with small business start up, rooms for events, classes in English and other languages, gyms and recreational facilities for their neighborhoods.

New York's newly designed mosques are real products of American pluralistic culture. The first mosque in New York designed from the ground up was probably Masjid Alfalah in which the community collaborated with a local Korean-American architect William Park, in 1983.

Such grand mosques as the Albanian Cultural Center in Staten Island, or the modernist Islamic Cultural Center on Manhattan's East Side (designed by the famed architectural firm Skidmore, Owings and Merrill) are monuments to the transformations wrought by Muslim communities: They are American mosques.

Yesterday New York City's landmarks commission voted unanimously to deny historic status to the Park Place site, clearing the way for construction of Cordoba House, also known as Park51.

The name Cordoba House, though, is particularly fitting -- an evocation of the rich interactions of Christians, Muslims and Jews in Medieval Spain. Medieval Spain was not often a paradise of tolerance and peace. But where peoples lived together, the understanding spawned by that coexistence gave the lie to the notion that Muslims, Jews and Christians must by nature be opposed, and created a more cohesive, fecund, peaceful and plural society.

The Muslims who pray in New York's mosques are Americans who, like Catholic or Jewish immigrants before them, seek to be part of the city, part of this country.

The more than 100 mosques of New York are visual signs, not only of the presence of these Muslim Americans, but also of the religious freedom that distinguishes the American way of life. By their very existence they defeat the hostile, polarized vision of Islam and America that the authors of the WTC attacks hoped to engender.

If we wish to stand in defiance of the unspeakable death and destruction of 9/11, we could not do better than to welcome Cordoba House in the very neighborhood of lower Manhattan where those unspeakable acts occurred, as part of the city's long history tradition of mosque-building.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Jerrilynn Dodds.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/...iJhV&wom=false
September 11th, 2010  
Yossarian
 
 
If the Mosque is being truely built, on the foundations of worship, and as kind of a tributing to those who died (not the hijackers) but as a true sign from the sane vast majority of the Isamic world of sympathy and remeberance. Then there is no Problem, how many Christain churches are in the ground zero area? If any might as well say there are there to insight the Crusade, to inspire war against Isalm, which we know is not the case.

What my point direction is here, I do on think we should characterize the reasons for this building so vaguely just yet. Islam in many ways like Christrianity and many other relgions can advocate violence, but like other said relgions can and has also advocated peace as well.

As far the Pastor in FL, that just goes to show that messed Islamic extremists that a small number of white Christrians are showing the same humanistic qualities of ignorance as they do, which is funny because we can all be quick to act out of unthought emotion like that at times, that seems to a fundemtal human quality, that in the instance above, bridges the two nutjob groups, however small together without either realizing it......

We are all different, we are all the same type deal in a way, a vague way of course.
September 11th, 2010  
LeMask
 
Excuse me dude, but there is many people who think that they are at war against Islam/Muslim/another civilization...

It's like racism, these things are deeply hiden in our ways to view the world...

How many people are capable of treating a "different" person like their own people? I'm not the racist kind, and you can find a little bigotry in my behavior... My behavior is different when I'm talking to a white guy, a Muslim, a woman, a beautiful woman, a homosexual, an iranian, a pakistani etc...

You can try as hard as you can, there is always a little difference... And sometimes, the difference isnt so big, but sometimes, it can be huge.

We are sending troops to fight "terrorists" with tanks, bombs, artillery fire... etc...
While when there is terrorists in our lands, we send SWAT teams... Why are we doing this?

Well, many reasons... But the first is that the blood of foreign civilians have little value... We would sacrifice a soldier for every civilian in our lands. But we wont pay such price for the blood of foreigners. Especially if they are black-brown or from a different religion...
September 11th, 2010  
Yossarian
 
 
Okay, I hope you were not tyring to paint a picture of me, I have seen all kinds of people, and am very ex positive, I treat everybody about the same, I am very aware of the prejudice's most people, even when those close to me expect me to act a certain way.

I am not completly sinless on prejudices however, I like everybody else have had them at many points ,it's hard fighting the fact your human.

But I am not tyring to uncover what is deeply hidden, for especially in the events of the last decade, I have become extremely curious of how the world of Islam works, and it's very foundations, and my reasons have almost nothing to do with any military situation in the world right now, but how my faith and the Islamic faith can build more bridges, and eventually expel those both our faiths and make the world a little less chaotic.

Any effort as such can be seen as futile, but at least it is something

Needless to say I am very certain that maybe to help myself understand things, Im going to do a little digging out of personal curiousity you have intriged me on how Islam is founded, and the values that every Muslim fundamentally is at least aware of, hopefully I can learn something about my own faith along the way as well.

That's just what I am walking away with from this thread if nothing else, there's alittle to many shouting matches going it seems.

It helps sometimes when looking at the world it helps to first put your glasses on...
 


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