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November 1st, 2010  
Micha
 
 
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Originally Posted by Shmack
Well, there's nothing to be surprised at. They don't have every family having at least one member killed in war or tortured to death in Oswiencim or Treblinka. Pretty soon Europe will forget this as well, i'm sure. In Russia they have neo-nazis, what should one expect from the Middle East?
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Originally Posted by Shmack

And that's quite natural i think. Nazism can't be banned forever. It's like a father trying to bring up a kid by prohibiting smth because it's bad.
It has nothing to do with this. It's about that many in the Arab world sees Hitler as a prophet because of the anti-Semitism in Nazi ideology.

Another thing which is also very popular in these countries is: “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” a forged antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan to achieve global domination. The Protocols also became a part of the Nazi propaganda effort to justify persecution of the Jews.The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is made into a TV series and has been shown on Arab television and the book is still a bestseller.

That's what I think is disturbing.

The most important book to read on the Palestinians, the Arabs and the Nazis has, unfortunately, not yet been translated into English. Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers’ Halbmond und Hakenkreuz. Das "Dritte Reich", die Araber und Palästina, translated Crescent Moon and Swastika: The Third Reich, the Arabs, and Palestine was published September, 2006.

Mallmann and Cuppers show that virulent Arab anti-Semitism is older than the founding of the state of Israel in 1948, and they demonstrate what part Nazi Germany had in its propagation. Their work is based on investigations in German archives.

Dr. Klaus-Michael Mallman, the author of many books on Germany and the Holocaust, is Privatdozent für Neuere Geschichte at the University of Essen. Martin Cuppers is a researcher at the Forschungsstelle Ludwigsburg, and has published an important book on the command staff and office of the Reichsfuhrer SS, the Head of the SS, Heinrich Himmler.
November 1st, 2010  
Yin717
 
 
I'd like to ask this. If you consider Hitler, and supposedly his strong Nazi followers, monsters then what you would classify the Soviet soldiers after the war who raped and abused most of the German citizens? Does that make them monsters? Or were they, just like Hitler, 'normal' people who just had some evil thoughts and put them into practice? The list is endless of people who have done 'monstrous' things like Hitler. To be totally frank, I don't believe you could be an out of your monster with no sense of normality and be able to lead a country to an amazing feat. Hitler was an outstanding leader. If he hadn't had his Nazi ideology he would probably be rated as one of the best leaders this world has seen.
November 1st, 2010  
Micha
 
 
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Originally Posted by Yin717
I'd like to ask this. If you consider Hitler, and supposedly his strong Nazi followers, monsters then what you would classify the Soviet soldiers after the war who raped and abused most of the German citizens? Does that make them monsters? Or were they, just like Hitler, 'normal' people who just had some evil thoughts and put them into practice? The list is endless of people who have done 'monstrous' things like Hitler. To be totally frank, I don't believe you could be an out of your monster with no sense of normality and be able to lead a country to an amazing feat. Hitler was an outstanding leader. If he hadn't had his Nazi ideology he would probably be rated as one of the best leaders this world has seen.
Rape and abused of civilians is a war crime no mater who does it.

When anyone talks about Hitler they mention that he got the country out of a huge economical crisis and raising the spirits of Germany, but what they seem to forget is that he then drove all of that down to the ground. He raised their economy by making weapons to go to war, he raised their spirits so they would want to go to war, he made awful tactical decisions. Hitler was a great politician because he knew how to use the crisis to brainwash the crowd. People wanted change, and he promised change, also he made the communists look bad by framing them for burning down some important building. He was great at holding speeches, but not a good leader even if you don't count the genocide.
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November 1st, 2010  
Yin717
 
 
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Originally Posted by Micha
When anyone talks about Hitler they mention that he got the country out of a huge economical crisis and raising the spirits of Germany, but what they seem to forget is that he then drove all of that down to the ground. He raised their economy by making weapons to go to war, he raised their spirits so they would want to go to war, he made awful tactical decisions. Hitler was a great politician because he knew how to use the crisis to brainwash the crowd. People wanted change, and he promised change, also he made the communists look bad by framing them for burning down some important building. He was great at holding speeches, but not a good leader even if you don't count the genocide.
But haven't all great leaders just been politicians who have known who to 'brainwash' the people?
November 1st, 2010  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by Micha
ler they mention that he got the country out of a huge economical crisis and raising the spirits of Germany, but what they seem to forget is that he then drove all of that down to the ground. He raised their economy by making weapons to go to war, he raised their spirits so they would want to go to war, he made awful tactical decisions.
I raised that point to demonstrate why I think Hitler got such a huge following from the German people. I would propose that had Germany not been in such a horrendous position as it was in those years, Hitler would never have amounted to anything more than another Bier Keller blowhard.

The art of public speaking is highly valued among those who wish to acquire power and this is one point where many 'would be' politicians fall on hard ground, if you can't inspire the majority of those you are addressing, you might as well go home as far as ever really getting anywhere in politics unless you have a gimmick. Hitler had it down to an art form, he could read his audience before he had ever uttered a syllable.
November 4th, 2010  
Del Boy
 
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Originally Posted by Elsarof
You know why middle eastern (especially palastine) like Hitler ?


2-the good relation between (islamic leader in palastine and hitler).



3-many soldiers in Hitler army were muslims




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This is no ordinary Islamic leader you see with the Nazis, this is Amin Al Hussaini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hitler’s closest admirer and ally; he had to be reined in by the Nazis because he could not wait to get into WW11 for them, offered to wipe out the Jews of the world for them, and begged to be in control of the final the final solution of the those Jews after the war in Europe had been won by them. He had visited Europe’s death camps and lived mainly in Berlin from 1941 – 1945.

He was the Nazis’ chief architect in Bosnia and was the main contributor to the continuing blood-shed thereafter. He outlawed the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. Christian Serbs had to wear blue armbands, Jews yellow. 100,000 Bosnian muslims joined the Nazi forces.

He approved the Pejani Plan calling for the elimination of the Serbian population. (the Nazis did not go ahead with this plan.).

Victims : Christian Serbs , 200,000; Jewish Bosnians : 22000; Gypsies, 40000.

He personally blocked the efforts of the Nazi High Command and the Red Cross to exchange 10,000 Jewish Children for Nazi POWs. These children were headed off to the gas chambers.

He created the Hanzer division of Nazi muslim soldiers in Bosnia, the largest division of the Third Reich army, 26000 men and participated in the genocide of Serbian and Jewish populations.

He had earlier participated first hand in the Armenian genocide as an Ottoman officer, when 1,500,000 christians were slaughtered.

He was the great orchestrator of The Muslim Brotherhood founded in Egypt, the Wahabbi principles carried on today by Osama Bin Laden. He created the Nazism of the Middle East and North Africa which we see displayed today in all its disgusting ugliness.

He had close reationships with the Nazi high command and later reported that Himmler had told him, in response to questions regarding the 'final solution', that they had already gassed 3 million so were well on the way.
November 4th, 2010  
Yin717
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
This is no ordinary Islamic leader you see with the Nazis, this is Amin Al Hussaini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hitler’s closest admirer and ally; he had to be reined in by the Nazis because he could not wait to get into WW11 for them, offered to wipe out the Jews of the world for them, and begged to be in control of the final the final solution of the those Jews after the war in Europe had been won by them. He had visited Europe’s death camps and lived mainly in Berlin from 1941 – 1945.

He was the Nazis’ chief architect in Bosnia and was the main contributor to the continuing blood-shed thereafter. He outlawed the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. Christian Serbs had to wear blue armbands, Jews yellow. 100,000 Bosnian muslims joined the Nazi forces.

He approved the Pejani Plan calling for the elimination of the Serbian population. (the Nazis did not go ahead with this plan.).

Victims : Christian Serbs , 200,000; Jewish Bosnians : 22000; Gypsies, 40000.

He personally blocked the efforts of the Nazi High Command and the Red Cross to exchange 10,000 Jewish Children for Nazi POWs. These children were headed off to the gas chambers.

He created the Hanzer division of Nazi muslim soldiers in Bosnia, the largest division of the Third Reich army, 26000 men and participated in the genocide of Serbian and Jewish populations.

He had earlier participated first hand in the Armenian genocide as an Ottoman officer, when 1,500,000 christians were slaughtered.

He was the great orchestrator of The Muslim Brotherhood founded in Egypt, the Wahabbi principles carried on today by Osama Bin Laden. He created the Nazism of the Middle East and North Africa which we see displayed today in all its disgusting ugliness.

He had close reationships with the Nazi high command and later reported that Himmler had told him, in response to questions regarding the 'final solution', that they had already gassed 3 million so were well on the way.

Ouch! And people thought Hitler was bad!
November 4th, 2010  
Elsarof
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
This is no ordinary Islamic leader you see with the Nazis, this is Amin Al Hussaini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hitler’s closest admirer and ally; he had to be reined in by the Nazis because he could not wait to get into WW11 for them, offered to wipe out the Jews of the world for them, and begged to be in control of the final the final solution of the those Jews after the war in Europe had been won by them. He had visited Europe’s death camps and lived mainly in Berlin from 1941 – 1945.

He was the Nazis’ chief architect in Bosnia and was the main contributor to the continuing blood-shed thereafter. He outlawed the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet. Christian Serbs had to wear blue armbands, Jews yellow. 100,000 Bosnian muslims joined the Nazi forces.

He approved the Pejani Plan calling for the elimination of the Serbian population. (the Nazis did not go ahead with this plan.).

Victims : Christian Serbs , 200,000; Jewish Bosnians : 22000; Gypsies, 40000.

He personally blocked the efforts of the Nazi High Command and the Red Cross to exchange 10,000 Jewish Children for Nazi POWs. These children were headed off to the gas chambers.

He created the Hanzer division of Nazi muslim soldiers in Bosnia, the largest division of the Third Reich army, 26000 men and participated in the genocide of Serbian and Jewish populations.

He had earlier participated first hand in the Armenian genocide as an Ottoman officer, when 1,500,000 christians were slaughtered.

He was the great orchestrator of The Muslim Brotherhood founded in Egypt, the Wahabbi principles carried on today by Osama Bin Laden. He created the Nazism of the Middle East and North Africa which we see displayed today in all its disgusting ugliness.

He had close reationships with the Nazi high command and later reported that Himmler had told him, in response to questions regarding the 'final solution', that they had already gassed 3 million so were well on the way.
well i know only his name not his history , but u r wrong about something ...Muslim brotherhood created by (Hassan El-bna) and he was Egyptian and that was in 1928 they had no relation with Amin(their website is http://www.ikhwanonline.com you can ask them)+ Do u know wats wahabi means ?
November 5th, 2010  
Seehund
 
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Originally Posted by Elsarof
well i know only his name not his history , but u r wrong about something ...Muslim brotherhood created by (Hassan El-bna) and he was Egyptian and that was in 1928 they had no relation with Amin(their website is http://www.ikhwanonline.com you can ask them)+ Do u know wats wahabi means ?
Hassan al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood in the city of Ismailia in March 1928. Links to the Nazis began during the 1930s and were close during the Second World War, involving agitation against the British, espionage and sabotage, as well as support for terrorist activities orchestrated by Haj Amin el-Hussaini in British Mandate Palestine, as a wide range of declassified documents from the British, American and Nazi German governmental archives, as well as from personal accounts and memoirs from that period, confirm.
November 5th, 2010  
Elsarof
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seehund
Hassan al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood in the city of Ismailia in March 1928. Links to the Nazis began during the 1930s and were close during the Second World War, involving agitation against the British, espionage and sabotage, as well as support for terrorist activities orchestrated by Haj Amin el-Hussaini in British Mandate Palestine, as a wide range of declassified documents from the British, American and Nazi German governmental archives, as well as from personal accounts and memoirs from that period, confirm.
he went to egypt to get support for palestine against england and jews , yes he met hassan el bna and thats a pic



But the egyptian governemnt by Gamal didn't like his stay in egypt until he was forced to leave cairo to beirut in 1958 he didn't have the chance to Recruiting or prepare soldiers to send them to palestine.

the only relation between them is to fight jews and english but that didn't happen in that time. so nuthin happened , el bna didn't send him soldiers after that,cuz he was killed. and thats all i know


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