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Boots
 
November 17th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc.S
the_13th_redneck wrote:

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Doc S.
I was hoping to go over to Europe to help.
Hey redneck I do appriciate your input and help is also appriciated but I am afraid Europe is for now a very lost couse. I just like winners that is all - And I hate to loose. And over here I am loosing but in the reality I am winning, Is that not ironic? No you dont want to come over here to Europe trust me. Well if you are rich as a cave troll, or if you are a socker star, or maby a golf pro that can live with all this double taxations and if you really dont like America, and love socialism - then you will maby have a good time over here. As for me I am only here for the swedish right of common access and one more thing, to see this shit blow high sky. I have realised that It will probably be more fun and a greater glory to turn back with the U.S marines on a landing barge sent back to liberate this Europe thing again rather then to stay over here and get killed in the sleep without any chance to defend myselfe.

An old man over here in sweden cought a burgler in his house, and he made a citizen arrest pointing his gun at the burgler. The burgler told him that his friends wear outside the house and that they would soon get in to the old man and help the burgler out. The old man got a small heart attack when he slowly opend the door to look if the burgler was telling the truth? When he stambled out on the stairs he saw that the burgler was leaving the house through the toilet window. The old man yelled to the escaping burlger STOP or I will Fire upon you! Then a second larger heart attack stroked the old man and a shoot went off in the directon at the burlger. He was hit in the arm but not lethal. The burgler was sentenced to society service for 8 weeks or something like that. The old man was sentenced to jail for 6 years for shooting the burgler. That is ironic too. "So you dont want to move over here if you dont have a death wish that is".

Cheers:
Doc.S
Interesting and sad story. I have heard some similar cases in Britain (also in Australia). The law can be an ass.
November 17th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
My German 3 professor is from Austria and she has the same grieviances about Europe. She just thinks it's a place that operates like a bunch of mental retards.
It's really sad.
But in the UK there is still some hope.
November 17th, 2004  
MadeInChina
 
maybe
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Boots
November 17th, 2004  
egoz
 
It's not just that the US has made it work. There is a history behind our Constitution that allows us to do what we can. When you look at our history you have to realize that it is very similar to some 3rd world nations too. The US had it's Civil War, Revolution (2 of them if you count the War of 1812), acts of genocide (Indian Removal Act), and all other types of termoil. The difference between the US and some other nation of today is the US went through it sooner than they did. Think about it, the US isn't perfect, and neither is anyone else. But for some reason we expect other countries to reach our level of "civility" without any type of violence. I think it's unreasonable, and it really only makes things worst. But it's the way of the world.
November 17th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
Over here all antagonism between different people eventually will boil over and then I dont want to be over here. England is having a lot of good people left and I think they are the most critical people over here against the EU thing. They will probably stand longer then any other European nation. Italy is also a good country in this union but they have to bend for all this crazy and strange ideas about freedom versus responsibility on the political arena. Australian people should be glad that they are not members of the EU thats for sure. Then things would be even worse. Why I dont move to England or Ausi is that their laws are closing in on our swedish laws more and more. Sincerly I have looked all over the world for a "safer haven" then I am living in now. But I canīt find any other place then the U.S where they still see to the people living in that great nation first and the rest of the world as a second problem. Well I do know that the U.S is loosing work to other nations just like Europe but U.S is far from being where EU is going right now thats for sure, I feel most sorry for the minoritys in our different countrys around EU, that is people like me.

I say any healthy European should move out from this utopia to the lands of some hope instead of staying in this dying fiction shadow socialist empire where you will serve as slaves in different camps or as it is called labour market employment policy measures driven by the gov and the unions to hide the real unemployment rates, where you work for nothing more then food and roof over your head in EU supported projects, so called social security founding to serve the elite and never get a real work because you are borned in the wrong blood line or don`t have the right surename, every company is moving out from this god forsaken lands. Over here in sweden they say that the unemployment is 6% but in the reality if you put away all this different projects where they stuff people you will find that the unemployment rates is about 16% in sweden and it is growing every year. Then all the people are sent to school for re-education. Companys continue to move out or they go bankrupt, because of the high taxes that are put on everything, somewhere along the way you will find out that sweden got maby as much as 23% unemployment if not more. People even with university education have a hard time to find any work after school. All these numbers are hiding the reality in sweden and in Europe.

This is a sinking ship just as it was after the first world war. Problem is that it has not been any war in 70 years. My dad is middle class citizen over here and he has worket his way to that position. I will never have the same chance to reach where he is and never reach that standard of living as he has if I am staying here in sweden to rot, thats for sure, and I will abondon ship before it hits the bottom if not it will continue down in this as I see it bottomless ocean, I will not continue to play along in this socialist soap opera and play the brave captain following the ship to the bottom and equitable capsizing on the Baltic Sea to be just another number in their statistics, this place is if not dead but dying in a great speed.

This is why the U.S is like nothing else that I know in this world, and that is gods truth.

Cheers:
Doc.S
November 17th, 2004  
rOk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc.S
This is a sinking ship just as it was after the first world war. Problem is that it has not been any war in 70 years. My dad is middle class citizen over here and he has worket his way to that position. I will never have the same chance to reach where he is and never reach that standard of living as he has if I am staying here in sweden to rot, thats for sure, and I will abondon ship before it hits the bottom if not it will continue down in this as I see it bottomless ocean, I will not continue to play along in this socialist soap opera and play the brave captain following the ship to the bottom and equitable capsizing on the Baltic Sea to be just another number in their statistics, this place is if not dead but dying in a great speed.

This is why the U.S is like nothing else that I know in this world, and that is gods truth.

Cheers:
Doc.S
Life is what you make of it. For all you know you might go over your dad's threshold of success.
November 17th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
The story of Doc.S is true.

Here in Europe things are really out of your imagination, like a murder will get only 6 years sentence in many cases, then be FREE to murder again. I think it is good in this aspect in China at least, all the rapers, killers, all get a bullet.

USA is good in many aspects, actually USA is the most wonderful country I believe, also with a lot of good people.
November 17th, 2004  
egoz
 
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Originally Posted by FlyingFrog
Here in Europe things are really out of your imagination, like a murder will get only 6 years sentence in many cases, then be FREE to murder again. I think it is good in this aspect in China at least, all the rapers, killers, all get a bullet.

USA is good in many aspects, actually USA is the most wonderful country I believe, also with a lot of good people.
I don't believe any country is really great unless the people are willing to make it even better. I've heard from foreigner and local alike that the US justice system is the best in the world. I can't really say since I don't have any other to compare it to, but I'd like to think we strive to make things better here.

With the way things are going now it seems like this "great nation" could again be on the brink of tearing itself apart. The growing gap between the rich and poor, political tension, job losses. It's one of those moments where the country's people and their characters are all being tested. We'll just have to see where the next 4 years take us.
November 17th, 2004  
FlyingFrog
 
Oh sure with more people like you in US with sense of "humble" "not-arrogant", things will only get better in US.

I met a lot of Americans, most of them are so nice people, just like everywhere's ppl, very easy types.

But it indeed seems that the US government is acting more or less very arrogant and really many many ppl dislike and disrespect that government, here in Europe, people really don't like Bush, don't respect him either, just check the local newspapers, then you will see it.
November 18th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
rOk wrote:

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Life is what you make of it. For all you know you might go over your dad's threshold of success
I am really sorry to dissapoint you on this point - Yesturday they sended a documentary on telly why sweden got this large unemployment over here. I am one of 350.000 + people that is categorized as a shirt on a clothes hanger, you see rOk over here our economics and politicians have this in mind, I`ll explain...When you go into a clothing store, you donīt find just one shirt, there are always other shirts on hangers, so they think like this - You dont want this country go to well, because if it does there will be a higher inflation, they can not devaluate the swedish crown, and we have a really bad budget deficit over here that is from the 1990s when our gov and the financial removed alot of barriers for the people so they could take larger bank loans and credits.

The 1990s people went mad and the swedish economy got really overheated. The gov and the financial instutions solved this problem with this shirt theory. All people canīt have what the 90s people had. Because then the inflation will go sky high again. Today we have almost no inflation at all but at the cost on a growing number of unemployed labour. They who got work got them and lives in some kind of a paradise. While a growing number of people one after one gets hooked up on this shirt hangers. We are the "shirt reserves on hangers" over here if anyone of the allready good living people gets sick or pasts away. The whole system is built around this shirt system where you can go into a store and just grab a new shirt if your old one gets worn-out.

The whole system is working like this and there is nothing you as a person can do to help yourselfe out of this treadmill if no one of the older shirts get worn-out. Well they want you to believe that you really can do something for yourselfe with more education and more competence development but is only a fasade to keep people calm. Problem over here is that alot of this worn-out shirts are growing in numbers but the people that are still haning on those hangers are not introduced to the market, so alot of people are working there asses off and then when they are worn-out they get replaced with cheap labour ( cheaper shirts) from other European countrys.

We that are stuck on these hangers are effectivly controlled by different authoritys that control the shirts with different economic and politic rules and package of measures to countermeasures that holds this part of the citizens on the hangers while the politicians and the financial masters are growing even more rich and we the 350.000 + and we are growing fast and we never get a chance in hell to break loose from the clothes hangers. This is socialism togheter with aggressive capitalism my friend. Over here I am nothing I cant break loose and believe me I have tried and I think over 350 + work applications is a solid proof.

The gov needs a large group of low waged labour force to take over when this worn-out shirt group retiers, then we will be welcome and people will do anything for a work by that time or we will have no pensions. Even if we got work in let`s say 5 years in to the future we can never have any large pensions when we finaly get worn-out and getīs replaced. People that should not bee working is working double over here just to get a dicent pension. We are only standing by waiting for one to pic us down from the hangers so we can have a little bit of what our parents and our older relatives got today.

But honestly I can`t see this miracle happen in my lifetime, and that is why I really want to move to the US where you are not under this type of economics and politic rules and package of measures to countermeasures that holds you back on the labour market. Problem is that I need a job so I can get enough of money so I can move to a place where I can work for a living and work hard so I can survive even in the future.

And as FlyingFrog say - that story I told you about is true and that old man he got his sentence last weak for that shoot. This is the up-side-down world and I am just living in it. I would prefer the Chinese system before this one to be honest, afterall the Chinese are not sneaking around and hiding everything that`s going on with their people. This system that I am living in is just a modern hypocrisy of democracy and the free will of citizens. There is nothing like that for us that are stuck on those hangers. Still the majority is growing smaller and smaller and soon we will be the majority in about 10-15 years of time, maby less. Then it will be a revolution in this part of the world. And the people will be their judges and I think there will be a sentence that all that supported this and lived on us will get what they deserve. By then I really hope Im out of here

Cheers:
Doc.S