Obliterating Islamic State (ISIS) - Page 35




 
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Boots
 
February 6th, 2016  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Oddly enough I don't agree, I think we are soft on terrorism.
The reality is we are not really confronting ISIS anywhere we are relying on a mixture of untrustworthy allies, borderline terrorist groups, opposition states and a small bunch of stateless fighters to take on ISIS and with the exception of the Kurds there isn't one of these groups that doesn't have an agenda that will put us at odds with them as soon as the fight with ISIS ends.

On the home front we refuse to take on hate speech and incitement due to a fear of offending someone and as soon as some one does try and confront if someone else starts bleating on about "free" speech.

Basically we are doing nothing to reduce the causes of extremism on either the foreign or domestic fronts.
And the trouble with the Kurds is their only real ally is the mountains. Turkey (our supposed ally) is again embarked on a campaign of extreme repression of it's Kurdish minority with martial law imposed in Kurdish regions and mass round ups up Kurds on going.

This being the case the 2nd strongest military in the ME will do nothing in the fight against ISIS. The loser here is as it has been for centuries the Kurds.
February 6th, 2016  
Tuan
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Oddly enough I don't agree, I think we are soft on terrorism.
The reality is we are not really confronting ISIS anywhere we are relying on a mixture of untrustworthy allies, borderline terrorist groups, opposition states and a small bunch of stateless fighters to take on ISIS and with the exception of the Kurds there isn't one of these groups that doesn't have an agenda that will put us at odds with them as soon as the fight with ISIS ends.

On the home front we refuse to take on hate speech and incitement due to a fear of offending someone and as soon as some one does try and confront if someone else starts bleating on about "free" speech.

Basically we are doing nothing to reduce the causes of extremism on either the foreign or domestic fronts.
There is a Facebook page on fighting terrorism softly check it out; and to quote form a post, "while hard power can address a solution militarily alone, soft power on the other hand could bring about a solution politically, diplomatically, economically, socially, culturally, religiously, and educationally....."


Combating Terrorism via Soft Power
February 6th, 2016  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuan
There is a Facebook page on fighting terrorism softly check it out; and to quote form a post, "while hard power can address a solution militarily alone, soft power on the other hand could bring about a solution politically, diplomatically, economically, socially, culturally, religiously, and educationally....."


Combating Terrorism via Soft Power

I cannot read the FB page, I don't have FB, it's a principle. However, the concept of dealing with terrorism and using soft powers can actually work and it doesn't get som much attention from the media, but it works pretty well. It cannot convince all people with extreme ideas. I also believe the soft powers will work in the long term.
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February 6th, 2016  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Oddly enough I don't agree, I think we are soft on terrorism.
The reality is we are not really confronting ISIS anywhere we are relying on a mixture of untrustworthy allies, borderline terrorist groups, opposition states and a small bunch of stateless fighters to take on ISIS and with the exception of the Kurds there isn't one of these groups that doesn't have an agenda that will put us at odds with them as soon as the fight with ISIS ends.

On the home front we refuse to take on hate speech and incitement due to a fear of offending someone and as soon as some one does try and confront if someone else starts bleating on about "free" speech.

Basically we are doing nothing to reduce the causes of extremism on either the foreign or domestic fronts.
BTW who is we New Zealand? I would hate to see the United States dragged thru the mud again by getting involved in this politically charged region with scaled up ground forces. Such a force would undoubtable win any convention war with ISIS very rapidly, but is likely to lose the peace.

The real answer to would be arm and train the very people who are being forced out of there homes and have them reclaim the lost territories. In theory anyways. With millions rotting in refugee camps, one would think this would be a prime recruitment zone for anti ISIS fighters?
February 6th, 2016  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
BTW who is we New Zealand? I would hate to see the United States dragged thru the mud again by getting involved in this politically charged region with scaled up ground forces. Such a force would undoubtable win any convention war with ISIS very rapidly, but is likely to lose the peace.

The real answer to would be arm and train the very people who are being forced out of there homes and have them reclaim the lost territories. In theory anyways. With millions rotting in refugee camps, one would think this would be a prime recruitment zone for anti ISIS fighters?
"We" is the western world which includes the USA and New Zealand.

As to the real answer well you are partially right but we tried it with Iraq and at the first sign of a Toyota pickup they ran away, our so called allies in the region Saudi Arabia are busily funding ISIS and Turkey are running the ISIS oil industry which leaves the fighting to the closest group we can call allies the Kurds who we hamstring because we wont arm them properly as it may upset Iraq and Turkey.

In Syria we are more interested in installing a pro-western puppet government than fighting ISIS so we do next to nothing about solving that as we prefer ISIS to Assad but give token support to opposition groups who are little more than terror groups themselves.

At home we have our own extremists like Trump shooiting his mouth off alienating people by the truckload and in Britain they have Choudary preaching violence against the West who they let roam the streets rattling on, personally if he wants a 7th century utopia I say pack him up an drop him in Raqqah preferably from 30,000 feet.
We all have laws against hate crimes, incitement and speech it is time we used them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuan
There is a Facebook page on fighting terrorism softly check it out; and to quote form a post, "while hard power can address a solution militarily alone, soft power on the other hand could bring about a solution politically, diplomatically, economically, socially, culturally, religiously, and educationally....."


Combating Terrorism via Soft Power
We will not win this fight with "Soft power" alone either, the answer is a mixture of both hard and soft power.
We should stick to the freedoms that the west expouses and use the safeguards we already have in law to deal with those that want to scare us into submission or into a xenophobic utopia and at the same time blast the snot out of anyone that wants to take up arms and attack us.

As Theodore Roosevelt said "speak softly but carry a big stick" the answer to this problem is a mixture of actions it is not just a choice of nukes or surrender and we must start solving some of the festering issues that are driving people to extremism.
February 6th, 2016  
Tuan
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
We will not win this fight with "Soft power" alone either, the answer is a mixture of both hard and soft power.

As Theodore Roosevelt said "speak softly but carry a big stick" the answer to this problem is a mixture of actions it is not just a choice of nukes or surrender and we must start solving some of the festering issues that are driving people to extremism.
I agree! Professor Joseph Nye, who coined the term "soft power" also proposed that U.S.’s success in world politics is best achieved through the use of "smart power" – a combination of both hard and soft power.
February 18th, 2016  
Tuan
 
 
Canada’s House of Commons debates anti ISIS mission.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/isis-...-end-1.2782301

The question is should we let politicians meddling with the national defence? I read, Australians for example, "figured out decades ago that national defence was too important to be left to the whims of competing political parties and their leaders...."

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-co...rom-down-under
March 13th, 2016  
Tuan
 
 
So as the story goes: American 'hard power' + Canadian 'soft power' = Worldwide 'smart power'
March 14th, 2016  
MontyB
 
 
Sadly though it seems we are still determined to do bugger all, as it goes the only winner in this may turn out to be Russia.
March 16th, 2016  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Sadly though it seems we are still determined to do bugger all, as it goes the only winner in this may turn out to be Russia.
Even with Russia if they win, Assad wins. However Assad's house is built on a deck of cards and he will eventually fall.

Turkey is the real winner. The ISIS crisis - war deflects attention away from Turkeys war of oppression and murder against it's own Kurdish community. Unlike when the Israeli attacks the Palestinians or the ISIS atrocities, Turkeys atrocities are sweep under the rug.


http://www.thenation.com/article/tur...sh-population/
 


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