Obliterating Islamic State (ISIS) - Page 2




 
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Boots
 
September 23rd, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I don't want to know ISIS I just want them dead, I would entirely agree with you if there was a chance of a negotiated end to this mess but there isn't so wipe them out where ever you find them.
I am prepared to bet once people learn that joining this bunch of lunatics is a death sentence the shine will disappear off the group as well but the West has a strange desire to "understand things" rather than fix them.

The same applies to piracy, if everytime a warship found a pirate vessel it was sunk along with its crew we would have far less issues with pirates.
I agree with this, however, if you posted this on Facebook the looney lefties would be jumping up and down quoting the Geneva Convention.

One wouldn't need a warship, all one would need to do is put a well trained and well armed team on board every ship and shoot the bejabbers out of any all all pirates one comes across.
September 24th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
I agree with this, however, if you posted this on Facebook the looney lefties would be jumping up and down quoting the Geneva Convention.

One wouldn't need a warship, all one would need to do is put a well trained and well armed team on board every ship and shoot the bejabbers out of any all all pirates one comes across.
Hey if ISIS want to sign up to the convention or even just adhere to it then I would happily apply it to them as well but they don't, all they want to do is kill and destroy so I am more than happy to apply the same rules to them.

Hell I am not even convinced that there are any "innocents" within ISIS held territory especially after watching blind, crippled and elderly flooding Europe it is pretty clear that anyone that wants to get out of ISIS held territory can so in my opinion all that are left are supporters, sheep or idiots in which case napalm the region and move on.

I am a great fan of responding to these issues in the manner of your opposition.



I also agree with armed teams on ships passing through the regions, once pirates stop returning home and the odd one washes up on a beach with bullet holes piracy wont be seen as a lucrative profession any longer and the problem stops.
September 24th, 2015  
Tuan
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Hey if ISIS want to sign up to the convention or even just adhere to it then I would happily apply it to them as well but they don't, all they want to do is kill and destroy so I am more than happy to apply the same rules to them.

Hell I am not even convinced that there are any "innocents" within ISIS held territory especially after watching blind, crippled and elderly flooding Europe it is pretty clear that anyone that wants to get out of ISIS held territory can so in my opinion all that are left are supporters, sheep or idiots in which case napalm the region and move on.

I am a great fan of responding to these issues in the manner of your opposition.


I also agree with armed teams on ships passing through the regions, once pirates stop returning home and the odd one washes up on a beach with bullet holes piracy wont be seen as a lucrative profession any longer and the problem stops.
That means you believe in the concept that “terrorism can only be neutralized by terrorism” – a classic ‘eye for eye, tooth for tooth’ discourse that would eventually have the whole world blind and toothless.

Contrary to your statement, I would say that we have to analyse the root causes of terrorism rather than its obvious and harsh symptoms, that you’re trying to respond.
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Boots
September 25th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Not at all, I believe we have to work on the causes of terrorism to reduce the problem before it starts but at the same time we must be prepared to confront terrorism with what ever force is necessaryto defeat it.

The have been numerous instances where terrorist groups have negotiated an end to armed struggle and I do not have an issue with that but ISIS is not a group that is prepared to negotiate anything so we have no need to understand them or come to terms with them we either have to give in to their rule or destroy them I favour destroying them.

I personally think you are over complicating a very simple issue.
September 25th, 2015  
Tuan
 
 
All I can say is that unlike ISIS we as a civilized society have to be humane. It doesn't mean we have to give in. Or as you say we should napalm them, but choose your brain over brawn.

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I personally think you are over complicating a very simple issue.
The point is the world is between conformist and non-conformists. Liberals and Realists. Realists believe might is right, but intelligence says knowledge is power,another word for might, so there is always a chance for a small man to make a big difference, after all it took a small child to inform the mighty King that he was naked.
September 25th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuan
All I can say is that unlike ISIS we as a civilized society have to be humane. It doesn't mean we have to give in. Or as you say we should napalm them, but choose your brain over brawn.



The point is the world is between conformist and non-conformists. Liberals and Realists. Realists believe might is right, but intelligence says knowledge is power,another word for might, so there is always a chance for a small man to make a big difference, after all it took a small child to inform the mighty King that he was naked.
We can argue this point until hell freezes over, but the reality is that ISIS can not and does not want to negotiate anything so what is there to understand?

They not us have chosen a path of conquest, destruction and misery for anyone that does not agree with them so as I have said if you can not reach a common ground with them then you only have 2 options.
1. Surrender to their demands.
2. Fight them.

There is no need to understand anything because the options are limited to those two.
There can be no peaceful coexistence with them.
September 28th, 2015  
Tuan
 
 
How to defeat ISIS: 10 ideas
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/28/opinio...sis/index.html
September 29th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
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Originally Posted by Tuan
There some merit to your 10 methods, since it could potentially thin the ranks of ISIS.
However at the same time these bloody butchers must be meet head on and destroyed in the field to the fullest extent possible.
September 29th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Certainly some of those methods have merit but a number of them seem like "wishy-washy" poor misunderstood youth lets not be too hard on them crap as well.

I have a somewhat different view of ISIS recruitment because I think there is merit to letting all those that want to join them do so and that is that it gets all the crazy bastards out of our society and into one place where they can be disposed of.

Personally I don't think we need 10 ideas on how to destroy ISIS you just need 1 and that is kill them where ever you find them but first encourage as many of the lunatics to join them as possible.
October 1st, 2015  
lljadw
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuan
All I can say is that unlike ISIS we as a civilized society have to be humane. .

No,NO,and again NO : the only thing that matters is to win,and if being humane means we do not win (=we are losing) ,we must throw away this humanity.

We do know what ISIS is doing where it is the master and we should do EVERYTHING to prevent this to happen in Europe,US,.......EVERYTHING .And if we had not handled ISIS with kid gloves, the situation would be different : we would be winning and not losing.
 


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