OBL Calls for Truce - Page 2




 
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January 20th, 2006  
DTop
 
 
I just heard on the radio that while the tape is real, it was made in December. How they determined that is beyond me. I do think it shows a weakness. How much of a weakness remains to be seen though.

Edit: Oh here's a source.
January 19, 2006 9:51 AM

The Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt Al-Jazeera says the audiotape it aired today was made by Osama bin Laden last month. It's the first purported tape from him in more than a year. The tape says al-Qaida is preparing attacks on the U-S. A White House spokesman says "we are not going to let up" in trying to stop al-Qaida.
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January 20th, 2006  
Forrest_Gump
 
Standard practice for the Militant Islamics when ever they start losing and need a break.
January 20th, 2006  
Insight
 
 
In Muslim theological history, during ithe expansion of the Muslim Caliphate, it was common practice for Mohammed or his commanders to offer a truce prior to an attack. The residents of whatever village was about to get converted were offered terms -- convert or die fighting.

A truce is offered from a perceived position of strength, not weakness.

I note an incredible tendency here to simplifiy complex issues. This is one of them.
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January 20th, 2006  
Morten
 
 
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Originally Posted by System Bolaget
What are you? the board's chief conspiracy theorist? Seriously, though The tape is most likely real. We are wearing them down. Every loss has a bigger and bigger impact. I think we've got their attention now. The smaller and more out of control they get, the louder they scream.
conspiracy... where?...
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But by December, of course, that tape that was aired then, he's barely moving the left side of his body. So he's clearly got diabetes. He has low blood pressure. He's got a wound in his foot. He's apparently got dialysis ... for kidney problems.

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Renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down.
The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most.
if he's alive... well... then i doubt that hes well.

that is if the source i provided has ANY truth to it at all...
January 20th, 2006  
headspace
 
 
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Originally Posted by Morten
he's barely moving the left side of his body. So he's clearly got diabetes
ha ha ha ha ha.

I haven't moved my leg for almost 15 minutes. Have i got cancer?
January 20th, 2006  
DTop
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Insight
In Muslim theological history, during ithe expansion of the Muslim Caliphate, it was common practice for Mohammed or his commanders to offer a truce prior to an attack. The residents of whatever village was about to get converted were offered terms -- convert or die fighting.

A truce is offered from a perceived position of strength, not weakness.

I note an incredible tendency here to simplifiy complex issues. This is one of them.
Of course, their announced plans to attack America should not go unheeded. I think we're merely expressing our own feelings about an unfolding news story. I for one, claim no understanding about a culture that seems to have no tolerance for others and no regard for human life whether their own or someone else's.
They are the first to complain about innocents being killed, yet they don't hesitate to launch attacks that kill innocent civilians themselves. They practice kidnappings and beheadings without remorse. I realize that they've been doing this for a long, long time, not just since 9/11. Yes, I admit it, I don't understand that and I don't trust anything they say.
What I do believe is that OBL and his cohorts want to take over Saudi Arabia and our military presence in the area is putting a real crimp in their plans. That's why I also believe that this country and Europe ought to be spending lots of its money developing alternate energy sources but that is another thread I guess.
January 20th, 2006  
msgtmedleyusmc
 
 
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Originally Posted by Rabs
The tape is real according to the White house.
I'm sure they want everyone to believe it. Perfect timing for the administration--with Congressional hearings over the domestic wiretapping coming up. If I were a conspiracy buff (I'm not even though I know the moon landing was faked and Standard Oil killed Tesla and took his induction motor) I would think they might have made it.
January 20th, 2006  
Italian Guy
 
 
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Originally Posted by msgtmedleyusmc
If I were a conspiracy buff (I'm not even though I know the moon landing was faked and Standard Oil killed Tesla and took his induction motor) I would think they might have made it.
Sounds like you are, man.
January 20th, 2006  
SwordFish_13
 
 
Hi,


Quote:
Source:The Associated Press
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Full Text of bin Laden Tape



The following is the full text of a new audiotape from al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden. Parts of the tape were aired on Al-Jazeera television, which published the entire version on its Web site. The text was translated from the Arabic by The Associated Press.

Bin Laden appears to be addressing the American people:
My message to you is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end them. I did not intend to speak to you about this because this issue has already been decided. Only metal breaks metal, and our situation, thank God, is only getting better and better, while your situation is the opposite of that.


But I plan to speak about the repeated errors your President Bush has committed in comments on the results of your polls that show an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. But he (Bush) has opposed this wish and said that withdrawing troops sends the wrong message to opponents, that it is better to fight them (bin Laden's followers) on their land than their fighting us (Americans) on our land.


I can reply to these errors by saying that war in Iraq is raging with no let-up, and operations in Afghanistan are escalating in our favor, thank God, and Pentagon figures show the number of your dead and wounded is increasing not to mention the massive material losses, the destruction of the soldiers' morale there and the rise in cases of suicide among them. So you can imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts a soldier as he gathers the remains of his colleagues after they stepped on land mines that tore them apart. After this situation the soldier is caught between two hard options. He either refuses to leave his military camp on patrols and is therefore dogged by ruthless punishments enacted by the Vietnam Butcher (U.S. army) or he gets destroyed by the mines. This puts him under psychological pressure, fear and humiliation while his nation is ignorant of that (what is going on). The soldier has no solution except to commit suicide. That is a strong message to you, written by his soul, blood and pain, to save what can be saved from this hell. The solution is in your hands if you care about them (the soldiers).


The news of our brother mujahideen (holy warriors) is different from what the Pentagon publishes. They (the news of mujahideen) and what the media report is the truth of what is happening on the ground. And what deepens the doubt over the White House's information is the fact that it targets the media reporting the truth from the ground. And it has appeared lately, supported by documents, that the butcher of freedom in the world (Bush) had decided to bomb the headquarters of the Al-Jazeera in Qatar after bombing its offices in Kabul and Baghdad.


On another issue, jihad (holy war) is ongoing, thank God, despite all the oppressive measures adopted by the U.S Army and its agents (which is) to a point where there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality, as it has reached the degree of raping women and taking them as hostages instead of their husbands.


As for torturing men, they have used burning chemical acids and drills on their joints. And when they give up on (interrogating) them, they sometimes use the drills on their heads until they die. Read, if you will, the reports of the horrors in

Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo prisons.


And I say that, despite all the barbaric methods, they have not broken the fierceness of the resistance. The mujahideen, thank God, are increasing in number and strength so much so that reports point to the ultimate failure and defeat of the unlucky quartet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Declaring this defeat is just a matter of time, depending partly on how much the American people know of the size of this tragedy. The sensible people realize that Bush does not have a plan to make his alleged victory in Iraq come true.


And if you compare the small number of dead on the day that Bush announced the end of major operations in that fake, ridiculous show aboard the aircraft carrier with the tenfold number of dead and wounded who were killed in the smaller operations, you would know the truth of what I say. This is that Bush and his administration do not have the will or the ability to get out of Iraq for their own private, suspect reasons.


And so to return to the issue, I say that results of polls please those who are sensible, and Bush's opposition to them is a mistake. The reality shows that the war against America and its allies has not been limited to Iraq as he (Bush) claims. Iraq has become a point of attraction and restorer of (our) energies. At the same time, the mujahideen (holy warriors), with God's grace, have managed repeatedly to penetrate all security measures adopted by the unjust allied countries. The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of the European nations who are in this aggressive coalition. The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission.

Based on what has been said, this shows the errors of Bush's statement the one that slipped from him which is at the heart of polls calling for withdrawing the troops. It is better that we (Americans) don't fight Muslims on their lands and that they don't fight us on ours.


We don't mind offering you a long-term truce on fair conditions that we adhere to. We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America who have supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars which lets us understand the insistence by Bush and his gang to carry on with war.


If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book "Rogue State," which states in its introduction: "If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all."


Finally, I say that war will go either in our favor or yours. If it is the former, it means your loss and your shame forever, and it is headed in this course. If it is the latter, read history! We are people who do not stand for injustice and we will seek revenge all our lives. The nights and days will not pass without us taking vengeance like on Sept. 11, God permitting. Your minds will be troubled and your lives embittered. As for us, we have nothing to lose. A swimmer in the ocean does not fear the rain. You have occupied our lands, offended our honor and dignity and let out our blood and stolen our money and destroyed our houses and played with our security and we will give you the same treatment.


You have tried to prevent us from leading a dignified life, but you will not be able to prevent us from a dignified death. Failing to carry out jihad, which is called for in our religion, is a sin. The best death to us is under the shadows of swords. Don't let your strength and modern arms fool you. They win a few battles but lose the war. Patience and steadfastness are much better. We were patient in fighting the Soviet Union with simple weapons for 10 years and we bled their economy and now they are nothing.


In that there is a lesson for you.


Peace
-=SF_13=-
January 20th, 2006  
TBA_PAKI
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forrest_Gump
Standard practice for the Militant Islamics when ever they start losing and need a break.
Yeah! and more bomb blasts in Afghanistan (then before) and OBL and his No. 2 (Al-Zawahiri) still not caught, is not a sign of weakness actually!

You should realize that operation in Afghanistan is costing huge sums of money to your country and the primary targets are still at large and threatening after 4 years of fighting!

Not to forget that how much trouble Al-Qaeda Militants (led by Zarqawi) has caused in IRAQ!

Of-course, US military has managed to disable this network for good (around the globe) and Al-Qaeda is no longer a fighting force. And they have managed affairs in Afghanistan very well then expected.

But still the threat is not over until this man gets caught.

But it is not wise for under-estimating others!