Not my Flag!!!!! - Page 7




 
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Boots
 
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
New York is a rather peculiar place. Then again so is Washington DC... but in a different way. Each city has its own culture. But New York can get flat our weird.
January 23rd, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whispering Death
Idiot elitist arrogant New Yorkers don't get it and will keep being on the wrong side of everything because they think everyone but them lives in, as you put it, the 'hinterland'. New Yorkers want to see themselves as so smart and cultured and intelligent, they buy whatever is shoved down their throats that will boost their ego, including politics. Believe it or not, people outside of New York tend to live rather normal lives, very very few americans live on farms or small towns.

Here in Dallas, I can't think of one person who has ever said, "Man, if only our city was more like New York, it's just so great there." And quite honestly, I don't know of anywhere but in the Northeast where people actually like New York, most people think of it as the Mecca of everything that is wrong with America.
as a particular political commentator here in NZ put it, people in the major urban centers on the coasts of the US have more contact with foriegners, do more business with them and are definatly more aware of the outside worlds opinion of the current administration. also levels of education are higher in these more urban areas, where for those on the rural zones and middle america, george bush personifies "american values" broad strokes of backwards thinking to play on the fears of more fundamentalist christians.]


no sir....i don't like it
January 23rd, 2005  
rotc boy
 
 
i have visited New York on many occasions and i personally think it sucks, the taxi drivers are crazy (i have almost been run over several times by them) and i cant walk down the street with out hobos trying to steal my wallet (even though its on a chain ) and being offered bootleg videos. Yea, thats the great all mighty New York city, great place
give me Boston, Massachusetts or Austin, Texas any day!
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Boots
January 23rd, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
"people in the major urban centers on the coasts of the US have more contact with foriegners, do more business with them and are definatly more aware of the outside worlds opinion of the current administration. also levels of education are higher in these more urban areas, where for those on the rural zones and middle america, george bush personifies "american values" broad strokes of backwards thinking to play on the fears of more fundamentalist christians."

Amazing how people of supposedly liberal thinking who promote the concepts of fairness and equality, decry racism and bigotry can turn around and do just the opposite when it suits them.
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
NZ, again you said with regards to foreign contact. The election was not won for Bush overseas. It was won for him at home. Get that straight. Again, if this election was PURELY about Iraq, Bush would have lost (says the majority of the polls out there).
Obviously you didn't read or chose to ignore what I wrote.
P.s. it wasn't fundamentalist Christianity under attack. It was Christianity as a whole that was under attack. They couldn't even call a Christmas Tree a Christmass Tree for heaven's sake.
January 23rd, 2005  
Doc.S
 
I think like this and I am living in a country with 9 million citizens and that is not much people. Well alot of things are as F.U.B.A.R as it seems to be in NYC and D.C I think. When I read I get the impression that NYC or D.C both have a common link. They have in generall more education then the countryside and they are doing more buisness with the outside world, and that this makes these ppl more aware of the outside worlds opinion. Well they are for sure more aware about the outside worlds opinion, and they are also having in generall more education then ppl from the countryside. But that dont make them immune against been pulled in their legs thats for sure.

That dont make them any more special then the ppl living on the countryside, because I have a feeling that ppl that in general are living of the earth get another reality awarness then ppl that only have read the same books and only fill their hearts with concrete and having a hard time to see the differance between a Mule and a Donkey. They may have alot of knowledge about what ppl in other countrys may feel or think about U.S. Well I know that NYC is almost as Stockholm over here, there are alot of we and them feelings. There are alot of we know everything when I`m visiting that city. And they are more open minded when it comes to Gay marridge and such things, you dont find a BDSM club or a Gay club where I live.

They would be shoot I think, or worse. I have a gut feeling that city fokes are probably more cultured then I am maybe. But I dont have a moral decomposition problem to fight with. City fokes are maby more aware of what other countrys may think in the big-citys. But do you see any primeminister or president talking from the heart of their countrys? The countryside where maybe as much as 60% of their entire populations still are living? I love democray and the freedom of speach, but when you look at the whole picture - I dont find city ppl to be the one that rules what the rest of that country are thinking. They are just the ones that are shown in the cameras if you ask me.

And if someone told me that cityfokes was more aware of what is going on in my country? I would laugh because they only know what is on their street or in their university and it is a hard thing to get the whole picture if you are looking at the world with tunnelvision. I believe that the countryside ppl are the ones that always will be the ones that have to save the naive city ppl when the fat-lady-sings. Over here city ppl are sore feet ppl that can be good in business connections but money is not at all the reality but an escape from reality when all looks pink and elegant.

COUNTRYSIDE POWER!

Cheers:
Doc.S
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Countryside power indeed Doc S.

City slickers being well versed in the world is only a half truth. You'll find plenty ... at least I found plenty who don't know one place from another. In DC I obviously met plenty who didn't know the difference between North and South Korea... didn't know where these countries were and when they thought of South Korea they had an image close to 1970s Vietnam in mind.

In Korea... a few days ago I tried to send something to Scotland. Now this lady working at the post office had no idea where SCOTLAND was. You know if you send something to the UK, often you just write "England" or "Scotland" and "Wales" and people will know where to send it to. I've sent multiple things to England without problems. But this lady didn't know what country it was becuase obviously in the post office it's written under "United Kingdom." City slicker. Dumb as a doorknob.

And it's true that exposure gives the impression of majority. Like in the US in a runup to the 2004 election, the TV was showered with anti-Bush messages that anyone who just watched TV for one day would have thought that Bush had 0 chance of winning the election. Singers, actors etc. etc. filled the airwaves with their opinions and messages. But they were not the majority nor did their influence win the Democrats the election. Must have been quite a slap in the face for those egotistical morons. Oh right, so what education credentials did these actors and singers have? Hmmm..... High School, High School, High School, University!!! But a theater major...
January 23rd, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
NZ, again you said with regards to foreign contact. The election was not won for Bush overseas. It was won for him at home. Get that straight. Again, if this election was PURELY about Iraq, Bush would have lost (says the majority of the polls out there).
Obviously you didn't read or chose to ignore what I wrote.
P.s. it wasn't fundamentalist Christianity under attack. It was Christianity as a whole that was under attack. They couldn't even call a Christmas Tree a Christmass Tree for heaven's sake.
no, i did read what you wrote, and considered it too. we have differing opinions is all.

the election was LOST by the democrats rather than won by bush. the democrats had no candidate and the bush campaign machine flug mud like there was no tomorrow. it all comes back to this question; how can the US claim to export democracy when they have the most messed up version of it.

with such a divisive foriegn policy, it's no wonder that we upitty ferners and domestic malcontents are unhappy
January 23rd, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
NZ, yes I think you got it right there. The Democrats lost it more than Bush winning it. I really don't think anything Bush did, including the whole Swift Boat Veterans Against Kerry thing, made the difference.
I actually think the Democrats had trouble controlling their own party.

And no it's not a difference of opinion on the Democrats losing the home front. That's exactly what happened. They screwed with Christianity. This was so stupid. Did you know the USSR, an OFFICIALLY Atheistic government, didn't mess with Islam in its Central Asian Soviet socialist republics?? Do you know why? Because they knew that once they did that, they would lose all legitimacy with those people and even for a dictatorship, they would become impossible to control.

Kerry was not a bad candidate. I personally think the clowns around him lost it with all their extremist rhetoric and their association with far left organizations. Kerry was called a "flip flop" because he had to some how appease these people as well as not lose the whole country in the proccess. Kerry versus Bush... person for person? Kerry might actually be the better man. That's what I thought anyways.

There was nothing wrong with American democracy here. In fact, it worked perfectly. Since when has democracy been a shouting competition?
January 23rd, 2005  
Marksman
 
 
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We are older than many of you.
just to mention,so it woldnt look like im talking crap,serbia was founded as a state in 9th century,anyhow,i dont think that that man had right to go over the flag,since that is showing dissrespect to whole nation,not to bush only