New MI5 files about WW2 released today




 
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August 26th, 2010  
perseus
 
 

Topic: New MI5 files about WW2 released today


A number of MI5 files were made public today including German WWII plans to invade Britain where Dover was to be the focal point of the invasion, but shock troops wearing enemy uniforms would have landed elsewhere along the south coast, as well as in Scotland and the south of Ireland. After the shock troops had captured the docks at Dover, the plan was for the main contingent of German troops to be brought over in barges and disembark at the docks.

Marina Lee, an agent in Norway was suspected of infiltrating the headquarters of General Claude Auchinleck in 1940 and getting hold of a key battle plan which she passed to the German commander.
British, French and Norwegian troops under General Auchinleck were later defeated at the Battle of Narvik and forced to withdraw from German-controlled Norway.

The man who wrote the screenplay for a James Bond film was himself suspected of being a communist agent, newly released Security Service files show.

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Surprised that Ireland would have been involved. Would this have been a diversionary tactic?
August 27th, 2010  
Partisan
 
 
I read this on the BBC news web site, looked like a great story, better than most of the spy fiction around.

For me I think Ireland was a back up plan, which could also be exploited to inderdict the Atlantic supply routes, so whilst not necessarily a prime objective, certainly strategic.
September 4th, 2010  
Ollie Garchy
 
 
MI5 "files" do not count for much. The only question is why they were only recently released.
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September 4th, 2010  
lljadw
 
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Originally Posted by Ollie Garchy
MI5 "files" do not count for much. The only question is why they were only recently released.
Maybe,because they only were BS?
Germans landing in South ern Ireland
September 4th, 2010  
LeEnfield
 
 
There is what is known as the 30, 50, 75 or 100 year rule. This rule dictates when certain information can be put out in the Public Domain. These documents are judged on how sensitive they could be and whether they might cause a problem to any one still living that was involved in some way with them.
September 5th, 2010  
perseus
 
 
Welcome back Ollie, long time no see!
September 6th, 2010  
Korean Seaboy
 
 
If the Germans have ever landed (I consider this to have been impossible), then they would have both a laugh and a sob. The British Home Guard units there was utterly ridiculous. Quite several shot their own countrymen, both by accident and intentionally. However, the British were hardened and would have fought to death to defend their homeland. As Winston Churchill brilliantly puts: "We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beacehs, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills;we shall never surrender." Striking, truly inspirational. His speech would have caused thousands to fight the Germans to death.
September 7th, 2010  
Partisan
 
 
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Originally Posted by Korean Seaboy
If the Germans have ever landed (I consider this to have been impossible), then they would have both a laugh and a sob. The British Home Guard units there was utterly ridiculous. Quite several shot their own countrymen, both by accident and intentionally. However, the British were hardened and would have fought to death to defend their homeland. As Winston Churchill brilliantly puts: "We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beacehs, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills;we shall never surrender." Striking, truly inspirational. His speech would have caused thousands to fight the Germans to death.
Not wanting to get too patriotic, but I know a few modern day armies, that are technologically advanced, and apparently amongst the!! can you think of any too?
I for one would not like to underestimate the defiance of an invaded country, to the invader - Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Korea, France, India, the list goes on - but there is one common theme - underestimate the populace at your peril and ignore them to your cost.
On a final point, Winstons words were meant not only for the UK, but also for the US, as for the Germans, they had their own demagogues to help them - but I do not think that Winston would've inflamed their passions enough to charge on regardlessly, that could be left to their own discipline and training. Ultimately the German invasion of UK was a pipedream, whilst the RN held sway over the channel, along with a still present RAF.
It is also worth bearing in mind that whilst the BEF was decimated, it had left a solid core behind to begin ramped up trg. Whilst everyone loves the images of Dad's Army with pitchforks taking on the lantern jawed Wehrmacht, it would also have been regular soldier v regular soldier, not too sure of the outcome, but it hards to face front and hold your ground, when you have to keep looking over your shoulder.
September 7th, 2010  
perseus
 
 
More Modern war-games suggest that the Germans would successfully land, but would be unable to penetrate too far inland due to logistical problems exacerbated by the Royal Navy. The sturdy defence in France would be repeated and without sufficient armour and fuel the position for the Germans would soon become hopeless. To call the RAF 'the few' undermines the importance of the full time Army and Navy in particular.

That the UK was being defended only by old men is a myth, the majority of the BEF returned from Dunkirk with battle experience. By the time the Germans had organised a hasty landing in September, they would have been able to prepare an adequete defence.
September 9th, 2010  
Korean Seaboy
 
 
Still, the Home Guard was under-equipped and under-trained. The reference to inexperienced soldiers as "Home Guards" only suggests so
 


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