NCO questions




 
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January 7th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 

Topic: NCO questions


i always have trouble to understand the specific roles of different level of NCOs,

i know there are sergents, staff sergents, first sergents, sergent major, commanding sergent major , even sergent of the army (i just knew it)

so wut are their specific roles,
are anyone of them have more power then an officer?

like i saw the movie We were soldiers, the officers seem to have to obey the orders of sergent major..

isn't sergent major still a NCO?
January 7th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
I'll let the NCOs here answer what their roles are, but as to who has more power be it the officer or the Sergeant Major, even a Second Lieutenant is of a higher rank than a Sergeant Major and is addressed as "sir". Now that being said, it would be a foolish _General_ who did not listen to the advice and council of a Sergeant Major. Also nobody short of a Major or Lt. Colonel commanding a battalion is like to give a Sergeant Major a direct order. Lawfully it could be done by more junior officers, but nobody with any sense ever would.
January 7th, 2005  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
That is a pretty big question. I will tell you my 2 cents worth. There is quite a lot that is needed for one to be a good NCO. Read the NCO CREED to understand the general roll of a NCO. I wish more NCOs actually followed the NCO Creed, especially the putting the needs of my soldiers ahead of my own and the earning respect parts.

What it means to be an NCO really depends on what type of job you are in. I am a forward observer. As a FO, I concentrate on calling for fire while my infantry NCO counterpart concentrates on troop leading procedures. Being an NCO in maintenance, commo, medical and other fields differ greatly aswell.

Here are how things work in a normal company of 5 platoons where each platoon is 30-50 soldiers. The Sergeant is a team leader and/or assistant leader. The SGT may have 3 or 4 soldiers to mold, mentor and lead. A Staff Sergeant is mostlikely going to be a squad leader who is in charge of 9 or so soldiers. IN the infantry, there are 2 teams per a squad. The SGT's are the team leaders. With the infantry, I see the squad leaders being strong in leadership. The SSG can decide what standards his squad will follow and how to get a job done that is given to his squad. A Sergeant First Class is normally a platoon sergeant who is in charge of 4 to 5 squads. the SFC will decide how hard to train the platoon and can really influence the daily lives of his/her soldiers. A First Sergeant is incharge of the entire company's training. The 1SG can do almost anything he wants to since only a Sergeant Major can tell him otherwise. A sergeant Major is incharge of training for Battalions, Brigades, divisions and yes, the Army.

Now here is where a NCO is more powerful in the military. In a platoon, the SFC is in charge of training while a 2nd LT leads it. The SFC has had about 14 years +/- of Army experience while the 2LT has had less than 2 years. The SFC is going to know a bit more on how things run in the Army. I saw new 2LT try to override the platoon Sergeant on a subject. the 2nd LT took it to the Company Commander and was shot down. The same goes for a Sergeant Major has many years of experience. I think most have over 20 years in service. The one in We were soldiers had been in WWII and Korea. That is more experience then an entire company put together. From my experience, when a Sergeant Major talks, you listen

I hope I was able to explain everything ok for ya

SGT Doody
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January 7th, 2005  
Sooners1
 
 
Officers do not have to obey SgtMaj. Also, you will not see a SgtMaj order an Officer. Most Officers will listen because of the respect of the rank. A lot of that is military politics, it is esy to understand yet hard to explain. I have seen officer's do what Gunny's tell them. It is all a matter of how it is presented and the officer. Marine Corps is E-4 and E-5 are NCO and from E-6 up is SNCO.
January 7th, 2005  
Locke
 
 
so lemme get this straight, there is no difference between a regimental Sar-major and a sar-major?
its just two ways of saying the same thing?
January 7th, 2005  
Sooners1
 
 
Only difference is duties at a certain level. They will be handling the same type of duties but Regimental SgtMaj at a higher level with more personel.
January 7th, 2005  
DavidP
 
hehehe here's a picture if it helps any:

http://www.sempertoons.com/Gallery/g...s/timeout.html

my fav
January 7th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
thank u ppl, i understand very well now, it seems respect sometimes is more important than rank.

one more question, how is the salary of a sergent major?
January 8th, 2005  
DavidP
 
to check out military pay grades go to www.dfas.mil

edit: here is a direct link to the pay grade information and all hazard and housing and other pay bonuses are listed: http://www.dfas.mil/money/milpay/pay/
January 9th, 2005  
DTop
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexybeast
thank u ppl, i understand very well now, it seems respect sometimes is more important than rank.

one more question, how is the salary of a sergent major?
Remember too that respect must be earned. An NCO is always outranked by a commissioned officer but they work together to accomplish the same mission. BTW a Sergeant Major has a difficult role to play as a liaison between the officers in the battalion or higher staff and the enlisted soldiers without actually being in a position of command. He is the enlisted peoples' representative at his level. To tell you the truth, I never sought that position in my career because I would have likely fallen off that tightrope the CSM has to walk