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November 3rd, 2014  
Yossarian
 
 
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Originally Posted by JOC
I never knew that tiger, panther tanks, Stugs, Jagdpathers, etc: ended up being sold abroad. Actually I didn't know that many of them survived the war intact. By wars end their numbers were low. Now we are beginning to start an interesting tread. We all make mistakes.
Panzer Mark IV's fired their 75mm guns against Israel in the Golan Heights as support machines in the 1967 war.

Panther turret parts and even some allied tanks were found in the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Ft's in Afghanistan, and M 10 wolverines and Churchill's in Iraq.

Parts of some German machines were sent to India, or at least found there years later. This let to Germany being considered at one time by India for a new tank to be manufactured there in the post war period.


As for surviving German armor, several Panthers even some Model G's survive today, at least one Running Tiger l, and work is going on with the Czechs to restore another Running Tiger B. No Jagtigers are running at this time and it seems unlikely that is to ever change, only 3 actual examples intact , two examples in almost complete condition, the rarer "Porsche" Model in the Uk, and a later production model captured in Factory Finish on the Eastern Front, now in Russia.

One more Jagtiger has floated back and forth from Aberdeen Military museum to other American War museums along the East Coast over the years, however this Jagtiger is not as complete as the ones formerly mentioned.

There are dozens of other model Panzers still running from this time in Europe Russia and the U.S., but mainly Panzer Mk. lll's some ll's , two or three recovered Stug's from swamps and rivers these past few years in Eastern Europe.

One thing not really touched upon is German's organic acquisition of armor during the war, lacking large manufacturing base to produce large quantities their own indigenous designs at the same pace of the Allies. Much armor, in the form of SPG's light artillery peices, and even light tanks were composed of captured French, British and some Russian vehicles. Even mounting captured Allied artillery and AT guns on their own chassis. This compounds the evidence showing Germany was not ready or capable of a long lasting war of any broad scope. Such as in the East.

Although German Panzer troops ceased almost all using of captured T 34s after several instances mainly at night of being fired at by their own troops when returning to friendly positions.
November 3rd, 2014  
JOC
 
 
I can see Panzer Mark IV's “Panzer IV AUSF C and Panzer IV AUSF H” surviving in some numbers seeing as these were enduring designs for the Germans .
The M 10 wolverines and Churchill's were allied tanks so I wouldn’t classify them as German vehicles.
As for the rest of the German armor they are primarily museum pieces.
November 3rd, 2014  
Yossarian
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
I can see Panzer Mark IV's “Panzer IV AUSF C and Panzer IV AUSF H” surviving in some numbers seeing as these were enduring designs for the Germans .
The M 10 wolverines and Churchill's were allied tanks so I wouldn’t classify them as German vehicles.
As for the rest of the German armor they are primarily museum pieces.

I didn't mean to imply they Where, just listing similar circumstances for other machines of the era in other examples of surviving specimens. As fate would have it Syria aquired their Panzer IV's from Spain after the war.
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