Merkava Mk 4 -VS- Leopard 2A6 - Page 2




 
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September 24th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
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they have low tech armies there... and Egypt is a friendly country now, they have modern weapons... but I know for sure that if they have modern weapons today, it's because they wont use them against Israel or any US ally country.
and Syria must have some old T-72 tanks or something of this kind... not very high-tech...
The Leopard was developed to fight t-80 and t-72. the merkava mk 4 is designed to match any possible opponent in the middle east- that includes T-80, Abrams M1E2(egyptian abrams), and Challenger 1. The 125mm cannon of the t-72 is preetey much the same as the T-80 and T-90, exept the Syrian ones dont launch missiles.

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the mortar? yep, I think I know. indirect fire? for pounding on infantry or buildings/fortifications...
I know that the tanks top-armor is a soft-spot (if we dare to call it soft)... but I dont think that a mortar round have a huge penetration power.
Naturally we dont use the 60mm to hit other tanks. however, its was added after the 1973 conflict, which was a large scale mechenised war. It can be used against AT teams, can be used against buildings, and it can give ilumination. its very useful actually.

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A guess... I know that Israeli Tanks were destroyed in the war in Lebanon. and the Hezbollah had no tanks... they used shoulder fired guided missiles.
and I dont think that the Merkava could resist a blow from an Abrams... or a Leopard.
Hezbollah used missiles with tandem heat charges, that penetrate far more steel than the avarage AP shot from a 105,120 or 125 mm gun.

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I'm just a civilian, sir. it's not my field. I'm sure you love your tank like I love my car (maybe more).
No, im not a MK4 comamder, I leave that to little girls who dont like grease on their hands I command a MK2, its old, its ugly, and its fantastic

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I know that the Abrams got turbines... giving him a lot of power in a short amount of time. wonderful accelerations...
and it's firepower is the same as the Merkava, not? cant we say that the Abrams got more speed and firepower than the Merkava?
Mk4 has 1500 horse power diesel engine. Ive seen those tanks do speeds that no one would believe, and ive seen them climb over things i couldent believe(and im a tank commander). s far as firepower, the Mk4 and Abrams probably have similar capabilities with their main gun. As far as i know the abrams dose not carry a 60mm mortar.
September 24th, 2008  
LeMask
 
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The Leopard was developed to fight t-80 and t-72. the merkava mk 4 is designed to match any possible opponent in the middle east- that includes T-80, Abrams M1E2(egyptian abrams), and Challenger 1. The 125mm cannon of the t-72 is preetey much the same as the T-80 and T-90, exept the Syrian ones dont launch missiles.
I get the point. I heard that Saudi Arabia have Abrams too. but I have little knowledge about their army... I dont know about the source of the manpower to make an army is such country where everybody is rich and doesnt want to risk his life... maybe mercenaries from other sunnis countries... I dont know, I will search for some infos later...

and I think that a smaller diameter round have more penetration power... Am I stupid?


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Naturally we dont use the 60mm to hit other tanks.
I hope you dont...
but it would be nice to take out a disabled tank while you are hiding behind a hill... with a hiden spoter telling you if you are hitting the target or not.
but I wonder how accurate a mortar can be...

and I completely forgot the illumination. I thought the tanks came standard with grenade launchers to deploy smoke when attacked...
but a mortar is bigger and more effective for illumination... hum... yep! forgot about that...

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Hezbollah used missiles with tandem heat charges, that penetrate far more steel than the avarage AP shot from a 105,120 or 125 mm gun.
I'm honestly surprised to hear that...

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No, im not a MK4 comamder, I leave that to little girls who dont like grease on their hands I command a MK2, its old, its ugly, and its fantastic
I just hope you wont need to have grease on your hands in a combat situation...
not the perfect time to change a tire...

I'm sure that the Merkava is a wonderful piece of equipement, no doubt about that.
it's just that I'm not the brave type, and I would love the idea of being able to disappear quickly... the acceleration of a turbine engine looks very attracting to me...

of course, I dont want to pay the oil bill at the end of the month...
September 24th, 2008  
Lunatik
 
 
Sherman, which version of Mk II does your team operate? I hear there are A, B, C and D with increasingly better features until a major overall design upgrade like in the form of a Mk III.



Definitely one of the better looking tanks.
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September 24th, 2008  
UnitedSomalia
 
I would put my money on the Leopard, the Germans are known for making the one of the best tanks and armored forces in the world, they are pioneers in this field. The leopard is a masterpiece and it is even better than M1A2.
September 25th, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
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Sherman, which version of Mk II does your team operate?
Ive operated all of the avialable versions, with all the diffrent packages.
October 1st, 2008  
Topmaul
 
 
Sherman,

Correct me if I'm wrong here

The Merkiva has the door in the rear the engine and drive train are forward. This is the one and only feature that I don't like about the Merkiva tank line. A solid hit or the driver running into something solid can damage the final drives this will disable the tank. That's why almost every other tank in the world has the final drives in the rear.

Changing final drives are a pain in the butt, at least on vehicles I have worked on. It takes a lot of time and is tough under fire.

For those who have never driven a tank or worked on one, look at the picture the Lunitic put up, it shows both thanks in question now look at the German tank tracks, you will see the drive sprocket it's the one with teeth like on your bicycle there is shaft that goes through the hull into the tank that is where the power from the transmission goes to the track. On the Israeli tank the final drive sprocket is on the front because of the engine being in the front.
October 1st, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
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The Merkiva has the door in the rear the engine and drive train are forward. This is the one and only feature that I don't like about the Merkiva tank line. A solid hit or the driver running into something solid can damage the final drives this will disable the tank. That's why almost every other tank in the world has the final drives in the rear.

Changing final drives are a pain in the butt, at least on vehicles I have worked on. It takes a lot of time and is tough under fire.
No, you are correct, the engine and drive train in the fornt. The IDF can afford changing engine, but training tank crews under fire is much harder Changing an engine/final drive is actually not that hard, and takes surprisingly short times.
October 1st, 2008  
Topmaul
 
 
way back when I was in the Marines I hated changing those things on AAV7 back when I was a Crew Chief (vehicle commander). I started out as a tracked vehicle repairman and then switched to crew then to crew chief



Thanks for the info

We could change a power pack (engine transmission) pretty quick but that darn final drive was a pain in the rear glad to hear you guys have it figured out.
October 1st, 2008  
SHERMAN
 
 
way back when I was in the Marines I hated changing those things on AAV7 back when I was a Crew Chief (vehicle commander)

Well, You need to understand that the Merkava was built so that changing engines will be extremely fast.

The engine is up front to give more protection to the crew- a crew can change engines but an engine cant change crews

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Thanks for the info
Actually, I dident give any(Look carefully there are no figures)
October 1st, 2008  
Topmaul
 
 
I like the idea of saving the crew!

After much thought my answer to the question is, "the battle could go either way"
 


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