Magpul Masada




 
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November 28th, 2010  
A-Pod
 

Topic: Magpul Masada


Anyone ever heard of the Magpul Masada before? Seems like it owns. Here is the link so you can check it out, it was shown on the Discovery Channel:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJhPMIVgF6c"]YouTube - Future Weapons: Magpul Masada (Bushmaster ACR / Remington ACR)[/ame]
November 28th, 2010  
A-Pod
 
It's also known as the Bushmaster ACR (that's it's new name)
November 29th, 2010  
Spartacus
 
 
And it is a good concept weapon. Only problem I have had with it is it tends to overheat quickly when shooting 5.56 NATO. Nothing wrong with a standard AR piston driven platform if you want to save yourself some money.
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November 29th, 2010  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A-Pod
Anyone ever heard of the Magpul Masada before? Seems like it owns. Here is the link so you can check it out, it was shown on the Discovery Channel:

YouTube - Future Weapons: Magpul Masada (Bushmaster ACR / Remington ACR)

The Masada was designed by Magpul and the rights were sold to Bushmaster. Bushmaster released it back in '09 and it's been a Cluster Fck since day one.

The Magpul design was for it to be a modular short stroke piston rifle weighing in around 6.5lbs and was to have a market price of around $1,500. The upper receiver is the serialized component, thus the lower receiver would not be a FFL Item and could be ordered without the need of a dealer. The plan was for it to be able to change the barrel, bolt, and lower and run different calibers and magazine platforms. If you were to change it to a 7.62x39mm and wanted to run with AK-47 magazines. You could. I have the original 2007 SHOT Show flyer from when Magpul unveiled the design.

Bushmaster did the exact opposite. They made it weigh in at 9lbs, have a non chrome lined 1/9 twist M4 barrel, and they have no released any caliber conversion kits for it. Also at the 2009 SHOT Show, when Bushmaster reviled that the price of the Basic rifle was $3,000 and the Enhanced rifle was $3,500 the market turned sour. I was there and saw it. The FN Rep went to Bushmaster and said "Thanks for increasing our SCAR Sales." The charging handle hits the upper receiver and is causing peening. Also as of right now every single ACR that is out on the market has a recall on it because the rifles will go full auto when they're not supposed to.

The big issue with the barrel is that Bushmaster went the cheap route and simply got their M4 Barrels and slapped the ACR gas block on them. They even has the M4 grenade cut on them. The Magpul design was for it to be Light weight Medium Contour barrel in a 1/7 twist so the 77gr rounds can be shot accurately. Also the Basic Model didn't come with rails or a folding stock. That was $500 extra and only came on the enhanced model.

The FN SCAR is under $3,000 and comes with everything. Rails, folding stock, no recall issues, no design flaws, etc.... also the SCAR is a combat proven design. The US Military along with a number of police agencies have used to SCAR.

The ACR has been used in Modern Warfare 2 and some screen time in Terminator Salvation. That's it.... No one has adopted for us.


I was going to get a ACR but instead after the 2009 SHOT Show fiasco; I went with a MSAR XM17-E4 Bullpup rifle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus
And it is a good concept weapon. Only problem I have had with it is it tends to overheat quickly when shooting 5.56 NATO. Nothing wrong with a standard AR piston driven platform if you want to save yourself some money.
You have a Bushy ACR?
December 1st, 2010  
A-Pod
 
well that sucks... damn you bushmaster, you ruined what could have been one of the best guns ever.
December 1st, 2010  
Spartacus
 
 
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Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm
You have a Bushy ACR?
I do. You know I am not overly impressed with it honestly. I have never had a malfunction or anything. It has a nice smooth feel as far as the control operation and the action, but the controls do feel a bit "plasticy" and I worry about their durability. I do notice that despite being stamped as 5.56 NATO it overheats when shooting M855. I have a buddy that also has an ACR and he doesnt have that problem, but he has a problem with it cycling .223 Remmington UMC ammo (Which I dont).

Also, Bushmaster made it really easy to send it in at no cost to us, which is cool, but from the sounds of it they dont have the most knowledgable CS staff. One dude complaining about failure to extract sent it in and Bushmaster installed a bushing to the barrel and polished the feed ramp. Not the solution I would look at.
December 3rd, 2010  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Hello Guys,

Perhaps a wrong place to put this up. When I was in the army we had the Swedish version of the German G-3. 7,62x51 nice caliber, it had a punch, then we shifted to the Swedish version of the FNC 5,56x45, much nicer to carry around, but if felt like a toy.

I have seen these two "new" calibers, the 6,8 SPC (The REC7, before that the M468 Remington from Barrett Firearms) and the 6,5 Grendel, is that the brand? It does not matter.

What are your opinion about these two "new" calibers? I have never fired any of them so I do not know. But I like it, I have allways veiwed the 5,56 as a to weak caliber. Some hints from both Iraq, Afghanistan, and some reports from Somalia are showing the weakness of the 5,56 (The Blackhawk Down event)

I am sorry if this has been discussed before here on this forum

take care

Ghostrider
December 3rd, 2010  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Bushmaster ACR Recall <---- Click That Link.
December 3rd, 2010  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostrider
Hello Guys,

Perhaps a wrong place to put this up. When I was in the army we had the Swedish version of the German G-3. 7,62x51 nice caliber, it had a punch, then we shifted to the Swedish version of the FNC 5,56x45, much nicer to carry around, but if felt like a toy.

I have seen these two "new" calibers, the 6,8 SPC (The REC7, before that the M468 Remington from Barrett Firearms) and the 6,5 Grendel, is that the brand? It does not matter.

What are your opinion about these two "new" calibers? I have never fired any of them so I do not know. But I like it, I have allways veiwed the 5,56 as a to weak caliber. Some hints from both Iraq, Afghanistan, and some reports from Somalia are showing the weakness of the 5,56 (The Blackhawk Down event)

I am sorry if this has been discussed before here on this forum

take care

Ghostrider

The 5.56x45mm isn't a bad round in of itself. The issue is that the current SS109 Nato Load was designed to defeat Soviet Body Armor and not soft targets (folks not wearing armor). There are loads for the 5.56x45mm that are great. The USMC is adopting a new load for it.

As for the 6.8 SPC. It's a fine cartridge that is seeing some limited use in the special forces community. It is gaining popularity here in the USA in the civilian market. I personally don't see the need to switch to it. But it is a good cartridge. The 6.5 Grendel isn't "new". It's been around for the last fifteen to twenty years. It's also a fine cartridge but it's designer Bill Alexander holds the patent to it and will not allow other companies to produce the cartridge without them paying a royalty fee. Les Baer Custom Inc developed the 264 LBC-AR. Which is the same cartridge but there is a slight difference in the measurements. Les Baer will allow ammo companies to produce that cartridge without a royalty fee and it will work in firearms chambered in 6.5 Grendel.

The problem with 5.56x45mm is the fact that the military uses a FMJ non expanding round. In police work here in the USA. We're not restricted to that and can use a proper expanding round; which makes the 5.56x45mm a deadly round and it does the job of putting people six feet under.

The majority of my "social" firearms are chambered in 5.56x45mm. I do not feel under armed with the caliber.



Seven of those rifles shown in that picture are chambered in 5.56x45mm
December 3rd, 2010  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Thank you. Perhaps you are viewing this as a hijaking of the thread. You do not think it will be better to have one caliber, such as 6,8 instead of using the FN-SCAR with two, or the Magpul Masada different settings? Just asking

take care

Ghostrider