London attacks?
Welshwarrior
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Whispering Death said:
We will handle it with our usual stoicism, good humour and resolve, we are not unfamilar with acts of terrorism. :salute2:
Welshwarrior
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Thanks StarkerStarker said:
behemoth79
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I know how you feel (the British). My prayers go out to all affected by the crimes.
Found a good article in Haaretz
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/597656.html
Whilst the U.K. has faced a variety of terrorist threats in the past, a unique combination of factors - namely the global reach, capability, resilience, sophistication, ambition and lack of restraint of Al-Qaida and associated groups from around the world - place the current threat on a scale not previously encountered."
The above words were not written by a security analyst but by an official from Britain's security service, MI-5, on the service's official Web site. The citizens of Britain were warned, in a routine manner, to be prepared for simultaneous Qaida-style terror attacks, in the form of suicide bombings or remote-detonated devices; the public transportation system, particularly the Underground, was named as a likely target. MI-5 experts even took the trouble to explain to the British public the difference between the controlled-deadliness of the IRA and the indiscriminate cruelty of the followers of Osama bin-Laden.
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The terror attacks in London yesterday reflect, therefore, a resounding failure on the part of the British intelligence community: It functions on the basis of a constant alert, but was unable to come up with a specific warning that would have led to the exposure and foiling of the plot.
Serial attacks such as those yesterday require precise planning, the deployment of underground cells, the recruitment of activists (and suicide bombers too, so it appears), the acquisition of explosives and the constructing of devices, transportation arrangements and more - and all under the nose of MI-5, the Metropolitan Police, MI-6 and Military Intelligence.
The British security failure will keep commissions of inquiry busy. And the failure will be even more stinging if Tony Blair was relying on solid information when he said, just three hours after the blasts, that the attacks were intended to coincide directly with the G-8 summit.
Last month, a high-ranking Israeli Military Intelligence officer, an expert in Islamic Jihad, was asked what his colleagues in the West have been asking themselves: Why hasn't there been a mega-attack against an American target since September 11, 2001? Or more precisely: Is the reason for the lack of such an attack an Al-Qaida decision to concentrate efforts on easier targets, or is it a sign of the weakness of the organization, which had only one trump card to play and nothing with which to follow up?
No one, admits the intelligence officer, knows the answer; but one can assume that two partial reasons include the diversion of attention to Iraq, and Al-Qaida's organizational weakness. The U.S. stronghold in Iraq is a magnet for terror - terror that is being channeled toward Baghdad and not Boston.
The antiquated description of Al-Qaida as something of a spread-out but controlled network of franchises, the McDonald's of terror, was perhaps a little exaggerated, the Israeli intelligence official said; if this corporation has a central management, it has had a hard time maintaining contact with the extensions.
When confirmed information about the London attacks is accumulated, we will see just how correct this assumption was, because Al-Qaida may have found within itself just enough strength to put together one select unit for special assignments, away from the British cells under surveillance, and make do with one or two quality attacks each year - Madrid, Istanbul, London.
The July 2005 "blitz" on the banks of the Thames, worse than anything that has befallen Israel's cities, found London at the center of international and European attention (the G-8 summit, the presidency of the EU and the hosting of the 2012 Olympics), and also in the well-known situation of being the elderly and weak sister of a strong United States. American secrets that are kept from all strangers are revealed to the British, the Canadians and the Australians; and if they are really, really confidential - to the British only.
Blair didn't need yesterday's attacks to realize that the lessons learned by Bush on September 11 remain valid: The war against the global jihad cannot be won by means of defense and security only. It is a war to the bitter end that requires the West to go from country to country, territory to territory, quarter to quarter to eradicate terror and those who sponsor it. This, among other things, is more bad news for Syria, Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas.
Bush, Blair and bin-Laden (with all due respect to Ariel Sharon, Mahmoud Abbas, Ayatollah Khamenei and Vladimir Putin) are the central figures of the first and decisive decade of the 21st century - a decade that saw the fading of the illusion that turning a blind eye will eliminate the danger.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/597656.html
Whilst the U.K. has faced a variety of terrorist threats in the past, a unique combination of factors - namely the global reach, capability, resilience, sophistication, ambition and lack of restraint of Al-Qaida and associated groups from around the world - place the current threat on a scale not previously encountered."
The above words were not written by a security analyst but by an official from Britain's security service, MI-5, on the service's official Web site. The citizens of Britain were warned, in a routine manner, to be prepared for simultaneous Qaida-style terror attacks, in the form of suicide bombings or remote-detonated devices; the public transportation system, particularly the Underground, was named as a likely target. MI-5 experts even took the trouble to explain to the British public the difference between the controlled-deadliness of the IRA and the indiscriminate cruelty of the followers of Osama bin-Laden.
Advertisement
The terror attacks in London yesterday reflect, therefore, a resounding failure on the part of the British intelligence community: It functions on the basis of a constant alert, but was unable to come up with a specific warning that would have led to the exposure and foiling of the plot.
Serial attacks such as those yesterday require precise planning, the deployment of underground cells, the recruitment of activists (and suicide bombers too, so it appears), the acquisition of explosives and the constructing of devices, transportation arrangements and more - and all under the nose of MI-5, the Metropolitan Police, MI-6 and Military Intelligence.
The British security failure will keep commissions of inquiry busy. And the failure will be even more stinging if Tony Blair was relying on solid information when he said, just three hours after the blasts, that the attacks were intended to coincide directly with the G-8 summit.
Last month, a high-ranking Israeli Military Intelligence officer, an expert in Islamic Jihad, was asked what his colleagues in the West have been asking themselves: Why hasn't there been a mega-attack against an American target since September 11, 2001? Or more precisely: Is the reason for the lack of such an attack an Al-Qaida decision to concentrate efforts on easier targets, or is it a sign of the weakness of the organization, which had only one trump card to play and nothing with which to follow up?
No one, admits the intelligence officer, knows the answer; but one can assume that two partial reasons include the diversion of attention to Iraq, and Al-Qaida's organizational weakness. The U.S. stronghold in Iraq is a magnet for terror - terror that is being channeled toward Baghdad and not Boston.
The antiquated description of Al-Qaida as something of a spread-out but controlled network of franchises, the McDonald's of terror, was perhaps a little exaggerated, the Israeli intelligence official said; if this corporation has a central management, it has had a hard time maintaining contact with the extensions.
When confirmed information about the London attacks is accumulated, we will see just how correct this assumption was, because Al-Qaida may have found within itself just enough strength to put together one select unit for special assignments, away from the British cells under surveillance, and make do with one or two quality attacks each year - Madrid, Istanbul, London.
The July 2005 "blitz" on the banks of the Thames, worse than anything that has befallen Israel's cities, found London at the center of international and European attention (the G-8 summit, the presidency of the EU and the hosting of the 2012 Olympics), and also in the well-known situation of being the elderly and weak sister of a strong United States. American secrets that are kept from all strangers are revealed to the British, the Canadians and the Australians; and if they are really, really confidential - to the British only.
Blair didn't need yesterday's attacks to realize that the lessons learned by Bush on September 11 remain valid: The war against the global jihad cannot be won by means of defense and security only. It is a war to the bitter end that requires the West to go from country to country, territory to territory, quarter to quarter to eradicate terror and those who sponsor it. This, among other things, is more bad news for Syria, Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas.
Bush, Blair and bin-Laden (with all due respect to Ariel Sharon, Mahmoud Abbas, Ayatollah Khamenei and Vladimir Putin) are the central figures of the first and decisive decade of the 21st century - a decade that saw the fading of the illusion that turning a blind eye will eliminate the danger.
Welshwarrior
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Snauhi said:
I have just recieved an udate from BBC television so far 50 dead and still searching
Italian Guy
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I was struck by the British people's firm reaction.
KC72
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This is the list of missing persons, just look at the diversity of the people, what were these terrorist thinking in achieving :?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4664209.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4664209.stm
Italian Guy
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Heartbreaking. The Italian woman is everywhere on our news here.
Lupos
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That was a good article Snauhi, thanks for posting it. My thoughts go out to London and all those who are affected by this act of war. The United Kingdom is going to show those fascist pig terrorist a thing or two now, they can be sure of that. And lots of prayers to all affected to continue on now that this has happened.
KC72
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Charge 7
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Among the missing:
How ironic. Here for all to see that al Que' da stands for death and death to all. Even if you are a Muslim. No pretences here about striking the heart of America by hitting the Twin Towers and so any Muslims in the way of that are sacrifices. You can't call a train station or a double decker bus the heart of Britain. Dear to the heart to be sure, but not emblematic. The Muslims that died there were just as insignificant to them as anybody else not in al Que' da. I'd like to see any of those here who've said as much before, now say these people are "freedom fighters".
How ironic. Here for all to see that al Que' da stands for death and death to all. Even if you are a Muslim. No pretences here about striking the heart of America by hitting the Twin Towers and so any Muslims in the way of that are sacrifices. You can't call a train station or a double decker bus the heart of Britain. Dear to the heart to be sure, but not emblematic. The Muslims that died there were just as insignificant to them as anybody else not in al Que' da. I'd like to see any of those here who've said as much before, now say these people are "freedom fighters".
WARmachine88
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man....if terriosts really just want to get some attention from the rest of the world, they should give a call like telling where bombs are before the explosion (as many other orgnizations did to not harm innocent people, and get their voice out)
Whispering Death
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cokeisthebest said:
You have no clue about al-Quaida do you? Their message IS to kill westerners!
As for the middle-easten cultured dead, yeah, one of the stops right before the blast was in the arab part of town. I'm unsure whether this was the plan or whether the bomb detonated late. The 3 subway bombs blew up at 8:50 but the buss bomb didn't detonate until 9:47. Given that al-Quaida are fans of simultanious attacks, it would seem reasonable to inference that the bus bomb might have accidentally been set for ~9:50 instead of 8:50.
WARmachine88
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you know like Irish Republican Army, a feared terriosts orgnization,would give a call of where the bomb was and when would it explode so no innocent people would die, and IRA could get their messege out.