KIDD class destroyers -- how good are they?

December 21st, 2004  

Topic: KIDD class destroyers -- how good are they?

Just a question regarding the KIDD class destroyers. To my knowledge, they were built quite a while ago (late 1970s). They've been decommissioned and then refurbished before they were sold to Taiwan in 2001, I think the delivery date is coming up (2005). I also heard news that the US tried to sell the four KIDD class destroyers to other two countries (I forgot which ones) but were turned down. Were those ships not good? Has anyone here ever been on to one of those destroyers before?
December 22nd, 2004  
No doubt that, this class destroyers have very capable and time to much more in service.

Yes, Before US had thought to sell to Greece and Turkey.But, the factor of SM-2 that is long-range AAW weapon prevented to sell(embargo).

CLASS - KIDD As Built.
Displacement 9200 Tons (Full), Dimensions, 563' (oa) x 55' x 20' 6" (Max)

Armament 2 x 5"/54 RF (2x1), 2 Mk 26 Launchers (2x2) 50 SAM, 16 ASROC missiles,

RGM-64(C/D) "Harpoon" anti-ship missile battery (2x4),

2x20mm Phalanx CIWS 6 x 12.75" Mk 32 ASW TT (2x3). 1 Helicopter.

Machinery, 80,000 SHP; 4 LM 2500 Gas Turbines, 2 screws
Speed, 30 Knots, Range 6000 NM@ 20 Knots, Crew 296.
Operational and Building Data
Laid down by Litton Ingalls, Pascagoula Miss. June 26 1978.
Launched August 11 1979 and commissioned June 27 1981.
Built for Iran.
Taken over by the US Navy By Executive order after the fall of the Shah in July 1979.
Reclassified Guided Missile Destroyer DDG-993 August 8 1979.
Decommissioned March 12 1998 At Norfolk Virginia.
Fate At Detyens Shipyard, Charleston, SC for reactivation and transfer to Taiwan as the Chi Teh.

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Vessel Characteristics:

Vessel Type
Destroyer (Guided Missile Destroyer)


Future Destroyer

Total Number

Unit Cost (US$)

Open. Most likely a US shipyard.

Displ. Tons
9,000 (full load)

152m (498.6ft) (Est.)

20m (65.6ft) (Est.)

6.5m (21.3ft) (Est.)

Gas Turbine: Open. Probably four General Electric LM 2500 gas turbines (105,000hp/78.33MW); two shafts; two controllable pitch propellers.

Speed (Knots)
32 (Est.)

4,400nm at 20kts (Est.).

300 (Est.)

Guns: Open. Probably one United Defense LP 127mm/54 Mk 45 Mod 1 or 2 gun; two Raytheon Phalanx Close-In-Weapon System (CIWS).

Torpedoes: Open. Probably six 324mm Mk 32 Mod 14 (two triple) tubes for the Raytheon Mk 46 Mod 5 lightweight anti-submarine warfare (ASW) torpedoes.

Surface-to-surface missiles (SSMs): Open. Probably Eight Boeing Harpoon SSMs in two quad launchers.

Surface-to-air missiles (SAMs): Open. Probably two Lockheed Martin Mk 41 Vertical Launch Systems (VLS) 32 cells forward and 32 aft for Raytheon Standard SM-2ER SAMs.

Anti-submarine warfare (ASW) weapons: Vertical Launched anti-submarine rockets (ASROC) (VLA).

CMS/Fire Control
Combat Management System (CMS): Open.

Air search/fire control: Open. Possibly Lockheed Martin AN/SPY-1D phased array, or Lockheed Martin AN/SPY-1F.

Air search: As an alternative to the SPY-1D/F, the ITT Gilfillan AN/SPS-48E.

Surface Search: Open. Probably the AN/SPS-67(V)3.

Navigation: Open. Probably the Raytheon AN/SPS-64(V)9.

Fire control: Open. Probably the Raytheon AN/SPG-62.

Decoys: Two SRBOC six-barrelled Mk 36 Mod 12 chaff and IR launchers; Northrop Grumman SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo decoy.

Electronic Support Measures (ESM)/Electronic Countermeasures (ECM): Open. Probably the Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)3/SLY-2.

Open. Probably the Raytheon AN/SQQ-89(V)6 combining an SQS-53C bow-mounted active search and attack sonar and an AN/SQR-19B passive towed array (low frequency).

Flight deck and facilities to fuel and rearm a Sikorsky SH-60B/F LAMPS III helicopter.
December 22nd, 2004  
I think their air conditioning must be the best because they initially were supposed to export to Gulf area, right?
December 22nd, 2004  
Wow nice information! Thanks!!
December 22nd, 2004  
Wow nice information! Thanks!!
July 25th, 2005  
The Kidd was basically a convenially powered Virginia class guided missile cruiser, one of the most powerful non carrier warships in the US navy at the time. The Virginia was nuclear powered. The Kidd lost the nuke powerplant but gained a helo hanger and landing pad. The Kidd class was created by marying up the Virginia's weapons and systems to a Sprance class destoyer's hull and propulsion.
July 25th, 2005  

Some More Info ..


The Kidd class destroyers (often called the "dead-admiral" class) are a series of vessels based upon the hull of the Spruance class destroyers. These ships were originally ordered by the Shah of Iran for service in the Persian Gulf in an air defense role.

The "Dead Admirals" nickname came about because of the USN admirals for whom they are named, all of whom died in combat in the Pacific in World War Two. USS Kidd DDG-993, was named after Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd who died on the bridge of his flagship, USS Arizona on December 7, 1941. USS Callaghan DDG-994, was named after Rear Admiral Daniel Callaghan who died at the First Naval Battle of Guadacanal, November 13, 1942, aboard USS San Francisco. USS Scott DDG-995, was named after Rear Admiral Norman Scott, who also died at the First Naval Battle of Guadacanal, aboard USS Atlanta. USS Chandler DDG-996, was named after Rear Admiral Theodore Chandler, who died on January 7, 1945, as a result of burns received from a kamikaze crashing into his flagship, USS Louisville, the previous day.

The vessels were not able to be delivered before the 1979 Iranian Revolution, so they were instead commissioned in the U.S. Navy. Because they were equipped with heavy-duty air conditioning and other features that made them suitable in hot climates, they tended to be used in the Middle East, specifically the Persian Gulf itself.

They were all decommissioned from the U.S. Navy in the late 1990s. They are in the process of being transferred to the Republic of China and expect to be delivered by winter 2005-2006. They were sold for a total price of US$732 million. [1]

List of ships

* Kidd (DDG-993), formerly Kouroush, will be Chi Teh (19811998)
* Callaghan (DDG-994), formerly Daryush, will be Ming Teh (19811998)
* Scott (DDG-995), formerly Nader, will be Tong Teh (19811998)
* Chandler (DDG-996), formerly Andushirvan, will be Wu Teh (19821999)

August 10th, 2005  
KIDD class were good, but other destroyers can be armed with AEGIS systems. having a huge SPY-2 radar on top of ur mast will save your arse about anywhere.