It's done: U.S., Poland agree to missile defense deal - Page 2

August 18th, 2008  
The Other Guy
The only thing that worries me is that the Russians will consider this an invitation to attack, much like the Georgian offensive in South Ossetia. However, Poland is a member of NATO, but NATO has never been tested and Poland doesn't seem too trusting of it...
August 18th, 2008  
Zort Boy
Is Poland getting any new hardware from the U.S. in exchange for the missile deal. I read somewhere that their air defence system was going to upgraded. Does this include new aircraft?
August 18th, 2008  
A Can of Man
No, apparently some of the later model Patriot missiles to fill in the gap.
August 18th, 2008  
Venom PL
Originally Posted by Zort Boy
Is Poland getting any new hardware from the U.S. in exchange for the missile deal. I read somewhere that their air defence system was going to upgraded. Does this include new aircraft?
We will get 96 (a battery) latest-generation PAC-3 Patriot missiles for defence against aircraft and short-range missile attacks + preferable prices to buy more Patriot batteries.

The final agreement about the Missile Shield will be signed on Wednesday.
August 18th, 2008  
Would Russia really nuke Poland? I mean, isn't it too close geographically? Wouldn't the fallout affect the Russians themselves as well? And if not, definitely their northern enclave in Kaliningrad and their allies in Belarus.
August 18th, 2008  
Putin seems to be doing some Nazi-like crap these days, who knows what he has up his sleeve. FoxNews had an interesting show on last night at 2000hrs in regards to the Bear with Megan Kelly (spelling? love her!). It was good, unfortunately didn't cover any of Putin's Judo but the show was very interesting.
August 20th, 2008  
Venom PL

US and Poland sign defence deal

The US and Poland have signed a deal to locate part of the US's controversial missile defence system on Polish soil.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice travelled to Warsaw for the ceremony, after 18 months of negotiations.

The deal has angered Russia, which has warned the base could become a target for a nuclear strike.

Washington says the system will protect the US and much of Europe against missile attacks from "rogue elements" in the Middle East such as Iran.

The agreement, which has yet to be ratified by the Polish parliament, was signed by Ms Rice and Poland's Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski.
See map of US missile system

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the negotiations had been "tough, but friendly", adding that the deal would make both Poland and the US more secure.

Ms Rice said the signing of the document was an extraordinary occasion, adding that the agreement would help Nato, Poland and the US respond to "the threats of the 21st Century".

Speaking during the signing ceremony at the presidential palace in Warsaw, she emphasised that the missile system was "defensive and aimed at no-one".

'Exacerbating tensions'

While Washington believes placing 10 interceptor missiles on a disused military base near Poland's Baltic Sea coast will protect much of Nato against possible long-range attacks, Warsaw sees threats much closer to home, says the BBC's Adam Easton in Warsaw.

That is why it demanded - in exchange for hosting the base - short-range Patriot missiles for its own air defences and a guarantee that the US will come to its assistance in the event of an attack, our correspondent adds.

The demands had delayed the deal's completion, but the conflict in Georgia gave the negotiations more impetus, says the BBC's Kim Ghattas, who is travelling with Ms Rice.

Both the US and Poland say the system is not aimed against Russia.

But the agreement has infuriated Moscow, our correspondent adds.

Russia's deputy chief of general staff, Gen Anatoly Nogovitsyn, said last week the plans for a missile base in Poland "could not go unpunished".

"It is a cause for regret that at a time when we are already in a difficult situation, the American side further exacerbates the situation in relations between the United States and Russia," he said.

Moscow has argued the project will upset the military balance in Europe and has warned it will be forced to redirect its missiles at Poland.

But Polish President Lech Kaczynski stressed the missile defence shield was purely a defensive system and not a threat.

"For that reason, no-one who has good intentions towards us and towards the Western world should be afraid of it," he said on Wednesday.

Before the conflict in Georgia there was a reasonable amount of popular opposition in Poland to the missile defence deal.

But new surveys show that for the first time a majority of Poles support it, with 65% expressing fear of Russia.

Hitting a bullet

The interceptors look like ordinary missiles, stored in silos, with highly automated warheads that are not loaded with any explosives.

If fired, the missile is intended to home in on and destroy its target, above the atmosphere, due to the kinetic energy of the collision.

But the closing speed of interceptor and target will be 24,000km/h (15,000mph), making the task more difficult than hitting a bullet with another bullet.

The US has spent more than $100bn (54bn) in the last two decades on its controversial project to develop defences against ballistic missiles.

Critics say that, despite all that money, the Pentagon still has not proved the system can work in realistic conditions.

Last month, the US signed an agreement with the Czech Republic to base tracking radars there as part of the defence system.

Washington wants the sites to be in operation by about 2012.

Now It's done !
August 20th, 2008  
a missile shield can be regarded as a defencive weapons system, but that is a very nerrow view. It is only true if the nation the shield belongs to is not a nuclear capable nation.

A nuclear capable nation with a missile shiled makes it infact an offensive weapon. Why?

Because it gives the capabilty to launch a nuclear attack and avoid reprisle, thus making it much easier to press that awefull red button.
August 20th, 2008  
I like the idea, but big picture wise, not sure if this is a good move under the present circumstances. Not exactly the proper move if getting Russia to cooperate is in our interests. However, since Russia is doing some serious Hitler type crap, making agreements and breaking almost as fast as they agreed to them, we can't really believe crap they say anyway.
I am sure the crap with Cuba will start up again. I don't think their will be long term peace with Russia until we have a war. Without war, I don't see anything ever being worked out with them for long term, concrete, peace. China probably the same thing but we'll see I suppose.

It's not good to have Gorbachev talking crap against us as well now. We need another Ronald Reagan to deal with this, closest thing is probably Sen. McCain these days.
August 21st, 2008  

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