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September 25th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
Was there ever a palestinian state? NO
Was there ever a Israeli state? YES , hundreds of years BC.
The land where the jews and palestinians now live was whom before the creation of the state of Israel? British Mandate of Palestine and before that the Ottoman Empire. None of them gave the Palestinians "their" land nor did the Palestinians asked for it. But after the creation of Israel the Palestinians suddenly wanted all of it. They were offered the land they want now but refused.
I am not against giving the palestinians the West Bank and Gaza. But what about the Kurds? Don't they deserve a Kurdistan? Why don't the Turks give the Kurds "their" land back? The Kurds attack the Turks just as the Palestinians attack Israel.
September 25th, 2011  
A Can of Man
 
 
Don't kid yourself.
September 25th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by lvcabbie
Let's get to the heart of the problem ---
Israel is a DEMOCRATIC society where all religions are tolerated and the people have to right to determine their own fate.
Gaza and The West Bank are under the TYRANNICAL control of religious leaders who tolerate no other religion than Islam and do not allow the common people to determine their own fate.
The heart of the problem is people spreading lies and half truths, such as your wildly inaccurate statement.

Israel is not a democratic society in any way, shape or form. They are in contravention of more International Laws and UN resolutions than all of the other members combined and more closely fit the description of a Rogue State than a democracy. http://www.israellawresourcecenter.o...ides/sgil3.htm

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Why should the Democracy be wiped out to be replaced by the Tyranny?
Then, look at what the people of Israel have done with their land as compared to what the "Palestinians" have done with theirs. Look what the Arabs and Muslims have done with ALL the lands they control!!!!
Who said the Palestinians are tyrannical? If the Israelis were not occupying their land these radical groups like Hamas and for that matter Al Qaeda would never have come into existence. Other than that, the Palestinians have no legal or moral obligation to allow the Israelis to steal their land.

What would you do if the UN gave the best parts of the US to the starving Somalians and then provided them with unlimited military and financial aid to drive the rightful owners into Mexico and refuse to allow them back, killing any US citizens who resisted?
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September 25th, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by lvcabbie
Then, look at what the people of Israel have done with their land as compared to what the "Palestinians" have done with theirs. Look what the Arabs and Muslims have done with ALL the lands they control!!!!
You mean like this?









Still it is good to see that not having a clue isn't holding people back from posting.
September 26th, 2011  
grey shadow
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lvcabbie
Let's get to the heart of the problem ---
Israel is a DEMOCRATIC society where all religions are tolerated and the people have to right to determine their own fate.
Gaza and The West Bank are under the TYRANNICAL control of religious leaders who tolerate no other religion than Islam and do not allow the common people to determine their own fate.

Why should the Democracy be wiped out to be replaced by the Tyranny?
Then, look at what the people of Israel have done with their land as compared to what the "Palestinians" have done with theirs. Look what the Arabs and Muslims have done with ALL the lands they control!!!!
Israel has a State legislative that divides its citizens after a basic criteria: not color, but religion

Israeli law has a section on the right of return, giving Jews the right to immigrate to Israel and obtain Israeli citizenship. That is not offered to others.

The Israeli law of 2003 on family reunification gives Jews permission to family reunification, while Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc. donít have this right.

Institutionally, Israel is a parliamentary democracy after the Western European pattern. The Declaration of Independence guarantees equal rights for all citizens regardless of religion, race and gender. But this statement is not followed by a set of laws where these rights are enshrined in the provisions which apply to all Israeli citizens. On the contrary, the parliament - the Knesset - eventually adopted a series of laws that show that Israel only is a Jewish state - ie. A state for the Jewish population and all other Jews in the world. Not a state for those who are people in the state.

What a wonderful democracy we have!!!
September 26th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
You mean like this?









Still it is good to see that not having a clue isn't holding people back from posting.
Who designed and build these beautiful buildings?
September 26th, 2011  
MontyB
 
 
Who cares the statement was that Arabs and Muslims had done nothing with their land and clearly that is inaccurate but would you prefer I used Moorish architecture?
September 26th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Was there ever a palestinian state? NO
WRONG, Palestine is Nation State as defined in Wikipedia.
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Was there ever a Israeli state? YES , hundreds of years BC.
The fact that both of these groups were 'States" has absolutely nothing to do with the legitimacy of Israel's occupation of Palestine, or the west Bank in particular.
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
The land where the jews and palestinians now live was whom before the creation of the state of Israel? British Mandate of Palestine and before that the Ottoman Empire. None of them gave the Palestinians "their" land nor did the Palestinians asked for it. But after the creation of Israel the Palestinians suddenly wanted all of it.
WRONG,.... again, The Palestinians had asked for a homeland of their own, and were in fact promised it by the British, in agreement for their help in defeating the Turks. It was only after this, that Lord Balfour came on the scene wanting a Jewish homeland, something that the Brits were in no legal position to offer as the land in question was not theirs, they were by their own admission only the mandated administrators, hence the name, The British Mandate.
[quote=VDKMS;608056]They were offered the land they want now but refused.[quote]They were only offered what was left, after the Israelis were given all of the most productive and economically viable land. Why should they settle for that, after all it is their land,... all of it.
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
I am not against giving the palestinians the West Bank and Gaza. But what about the Kurds? Don't they deserve a Kurdistan? Why don't the Turks give the Kurds "their" land back? The Kurds attack the Turks just as the Palestinians attack Israel.
Since when did the Kurds live in the west bank??? That is nothing to do with this debate, but feel free to start another thread if you wish.

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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Who designed and build these beautiful buildings?
Well, I'll tell you one thing,... It wasn't Israel.
September 26th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
It seems that on this board, like in the real world, we cannot agree on the Israeli-Palestinian problem.
Both sides have facts to claim they are right and many were posted here, and both sides reject the facts of the other. (that's why I stated in my first post How far is one allowed to go back in time to prove he is right?) It's pro or contra.
Why don't they ask the mixed families for a solution? Israelies married to palestinians. They know how to live together. We probably would see a whole different palestine. Problem is the pro's and contra's won't accept that solution. Most Israelies and Palestinians just want to be free, live in peace, have a home of their own and have a nice job. Just like 99% of the people living on this earth. The problem is the 1%, the pro's and contra's. Any stick will do to beat a dog.
September 26th, 2011  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
It seems that on this board, like in the real world, we cannot agree on the Israeli-Palestinian problem.
Both sides have facts to claim they are right and many were posted here, and both sides reject the facts of the other. (that's why I stated in my first post How far is one allowed to go back in time to prove he is right?) It's pro or contra.
You seem not to grasp the subject. You ask how far can we go back? The answer is simple, we can go back to when the Israelis claimed ownership of the west Bank
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Why don't they ask the mixed families for a solution? Israelies married to palestinians. They know how to live together. We probably would see a whole different palestine. Problem is the pro's and contra's won't accept that solution.
The Pro's and Contra's won't accept it, because for a start you have obviously never bothered to try and find the facts of the matter.

Firstly it is not done because the group you speak of, are so small a minority as to be voiceless. Secondly, these mixed marriages are not even officially recognized, so why would the Israelis listen to an officially unrecognized minority. This lack of basic recognition flies in the face of your earlier claim that Israel is a Democratic State. See below:
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Originally Posted by jewishvirtuallibrary.org
Since mixed marriages are not binding, such marriages entail no legal consequences (Yad, loc. cit.). Hence, the prohibitions of marriage (in respect of certain relations of the other spouse), which apply to a valid marriage, do not apply to the parties – even after the non-Jewish partner has become a proselyte (see *Marriage, Prohibited). Similarly the wife has no halakhic right to be maintained by her "husband," since this right arises only if a valid marriage exists between them. For the same reason, in a mixed marriage none of the inheritance rights that flow from a valid marriage, such as the husband's right to inherit his wife's estate (see *Succession), come into effect. Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...4_0_14018.html
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
Most Israelies and Palestinians just want to be free, live in peace, have a home of their own and have a nice job. Just like 99% of the people living on this earth. The problem is the 1%, the pro's and contra's. Any stick will do to beat a dog.
Not true,... or we wouldn't have the present situation. Yes,... the Israelis certainly want to be free and live in peace, but only so long as it is at the expense of the Palestinian people, living on their land without possibility of retribution or resistance. The Palestinians also want freedom and peace, but they can't have it, because there is an occupier who keeps starving, beating, harrassing and murdering them when they want to take their land back.
 


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