Israel rightfully own the West Bank . - Page 3




 
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December 21st, 2010  
Ted
 
 
I am just waiting for GeorgeCloonme, or whatever his name is, to respond. I am always greedy for a good laugh....
December 21st, 2010  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uppercut
Legually or not - why should a "Jewish" state own 3 million not jewish phalastinians?
Don't forget that we want to be a democracy- so we need to keep a larger jewish population to keep ourselves a jewish state.
On the other hand- if we truely and legually own those real estate- shouldn't we as stereotipical jews take rent money from the P pepople? - lol

tank commander rev. idf -(one rank above first seargent )
miki

p.s merqava 3 rules!! (@uck 4)
own is perhaps another term to occupy another place. Why not take rent, but be careful now, I am Swedish so therefore I am anti-semitic according to some one here. It was a while ago I came across an Israeli. I view Israel as a democratic state domestically, internationally.....well.....some mistakes have been made. However, when we read the history of the Jewish people....Hmm Spain, dang christians, huh? The Black Death, 1348, the jewish people were accused to cause the plague, even if they died as the majority of the others. Then the holocaust, of course that one created a fear of a repeat.

btw what is wrong with the Merkava 4?
December 24th, 2010  
Yossarian
 
 
I'm not trying to be offensive, but sometimes I think if would just be safest if the Jewish people colonized another planet...

Honestly, I can't understand how much antisentiment you can have to wards another people, or more importantly why people who are not involved choose to hate them as well.

Me personally, leave them alone, and maybe violence would decrease in the are of Israel, just a shot out of a cannon.

Hard thing commenting on this topic, cause no matter what you say, about thirty counter points will be machine gunned at you from the disagreeing parties (and there are allot of them!).
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December 24th, 2010  
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
I'm not trying to be offensive, but sometimes I think if would just be safest if the Jewish people colonized another planet...
Boy did you totally miss the mark... even in your attempt at sarcasm.
December 25th, 2010  
Yossarian
 
 
I was not being serious, not anti semetic, I do not hold any grudges or sense of even mildest distaste for Jewish people, anywhere. I wouldnt mind moving to that planet as most likely many of the world's issues would most likely be left behind...

What I meant was, no I do not want them to magically disapear, it was more along the lines of "gee somtimes I wish (for a positive outcome)", it's ridcolous that the situation has been unresolved for so long, and it's very hard to talk about, cause you are literally discussing people's lives.

It's hard explaining that you don't have an intense hatrid of most groups of people in the world, or almost any group for that matter.

But my deepest sympathies go out to those on both sides of the issue who are caught in the middle of the events taking place there, those just trying to make it through their day to day.

But there it is, my other point is proven,at least for me I am iced even before I poked my head out on this one.

Oh and your right I really tripped over myself there...ima get outta here before I stain the thread for everyone else!
December 26th, 2010  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Oh and your right I really tripped over myself there...ima get outta here before I stain the thread for everyone else!
Are you kidding me this thread torpedoed itself at post#1 there isn't a lot you could have done to it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostrider
Thanks for the information. So we shall be rude toward each other? Strange. The Middle East is a sensitive subject to discuss. I try to ignore if people are rude. I prefer constructive discussions and all people have their right to have their opinion. In this case, I ignored the fact, I am an anti-semitic, becouse I am Swedish ie Scandinavian according to one here.

My intention was to try to be a bit constructive instead.

take care

Ghostrider
You can't have constructive discussion on something that has no middle ground, the reality is that the Palestinians are not going to negotiate in good faith because they have nothing to negotiate with and Israel wont negotiate in good faith until they are forced to the negotiating table so all we can really do is sit back and wait for one to wipe the out.
December 30th, 2010  
SilverAssassin
 
 
"I want to address whether the IDF won the '73 war. By any definition, the IDF were the winners. The Soviet Union saved the Egyptian army by actually planning to send troops to rescue the Egyptian 3rd army which was completely surrounded"

just to short cut the debate
Israel crossed the canal for 4 purposes
1-occupy ismaelia
2- occupy suez
3-force the egyptian third army to surrender
4- advancing on cairo

did israel achieve any of such purposes ?
they were defeated in ismaelia
even after the cease fire they tried to occupy suez but also were defeated and did withdraw , they tried to force the third army to surrender but they failed


The 1973 Arab-Isreali War
AUTHOR Major Steven J. Piccirilli, USMC
CSC 1989
SUBJECT AREA - History


The achievement of President Sadat's strategic
objectives make a good final note. Sadat's basic objective
was to end the state of "No Peace, No War" and to force
negotiations. Kilometer 101, Geneva, and ultimately Camp
David certainly proved this success. The superpowers were
forced to involve themselves in the Middle East on Sadat's
terms, not their own. The war restored Egypt to a position
of primacy among Arab states. The results of the war
permitted Egypt to reopen the Suez Canal and thus regain some
of the economic resources, not to mention the prestige, it
had lost in 1967. Arab pride and confidence had been
restored. The war technically was a stalemate at the point
of the ceasefire, with no clear victory on either side. For
the Arabs and Sadat, that was enough. Their goal was to
prove that the Israelis were not invincible, that they could
be neutralized, that they could be defeated. Clearly, the
Arabs had accomplished that.43
As a final statement, a quote from Dupuy:
If War is the employment of military
force in support of political objectives,
there can be no doubt that in strategic
and political terms the Arab States
and particularly Egypt -- won the War,
even though the military outcome was a
stalemate . 44


{the main reason Israel lost in 1973 was not lack of intelligence, but the fact that they viewed Egypt as "a lifeless corpse without a will". }
Haim Herzog, head of Israeli intelligence, later
January 2nd, 2011  
willsrn2000
 
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0rxASx1SxY"]YouTube - Hitler Ryanair Rant[/ame]

I totally support Isreali rights to capture and hold buffers between themselves and hostile neighbors such as Gaza and West Bank especially when they were not the agressors but they dont own the land anymore than Hitler owns Ryan Air.
January 2nd, 2011  
mmarsh
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by willsrn2000
YouTube - Hitler Ryanair Rant

I totally support Isreali rights to capture and hold buffers between themselves and hostile neighbors such as Gaza and West Bank especially when they were not the agressors but they dont own the land anymore than Hitler owns Ryan Air.
First of all Gaza and the West bank are not hostile neighbors, they are geographical areas in Palestine. Second of all, Israel withdrew from Gaza 4 years ago, so the point is totally moot. The West Bank still remains illegally occupied by Israel, not even the US government recognizes Israels territorial claims.

Second of all Israeli Palestinian neighbors are hostile because they were forcibly kicked off their land, by the IDF. So I think they have a justifiable reason to be pissed off.

Your views and those of Joseph Stalin have a lot in common. Stalin thought it was OK to have buffer states (aka The Warsaw Pact) in order to protect the USSR from what he considered aggressors as well and he didn't care what Eastern European countries thought about it. He simply crushed any resistance.
January 3rd, 2011  
Korean Seaboy
 
 
Le't not get a dogfight like previous posts. Let us remind ourselves that we have something called "language" and "manners" to watch
 


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