http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4354/isis-jordan

Another Islamic empire from west of Africa to East of Asia?!! I think it is possible. But what will do Jewish people of Israel and Shies of Iran in the center of this empire?

I am not sure Jordanians will run away quite as quick as the Iraqi's seem to have, personally I think ISIS is near the limit of its expansion capabilities in terms of manpower and will struggle to hold any of its gains should someone actually fight back.

I am really struggling to understand the roles of both the USA and Iran in this conflict as reports show Hezbollah fighting with the ISIL and I thought they were basically funded by Iran meanwhile aren't ISIL part of the Syrian rebel groupings which the USA wants to support against Assad?

Originally Posted by MontyB

I am not sure Jordanians will run away quite as quick as the Iraqi's seem to have, personally I think ISIS is near the limit of its expansion capabilities in terms of manpower and will struggle to hold any of its gains should someone actually fight back.

I am really struggling to understand the roles of both the USA and Iran in this conflict as reports show Hezbollah fighting with the ISIL and I thought they were basically funded by Iran meanwhile aren't ISIL part of the Syrian rebel groupings which the USA wants to support against Assad?

But I don't think so. I think about 20000 Daesh fighters can defeat Jordan army easily in a short time because of three

reasons. First they are brave , Martyrdom-seeking , well trained with a lot of war experience. Second most of people in Sunni

Islamic states are not consider them as enemy and in fact they have a lot of fans in these countries ( and for their army we

have the same condition ). There are some west fans against them but they will escape to west after first attack. And third in

most Islamic states people are against their governments ( Arab spring is a good example ) so they always want change and

now a group of Islamic fighters promising them to reestablish another Islamic empire like Umayyad empire. I think except that

Iran, Turkey and Kurdish and Shiite areas in the ME, they can occupy all ME and north Africa states easily. Unless

somebody from out of this region prevent them.

You know why they hate Shiite? one reason is they say we in Iran had a back-stabber when Ottoman Empire was occupying

Europe during Ottoman-Safavid wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman...%E2%80%9339%29

Originally Posted by hamidreza

But I don't think so. I think about 20000 Daesh fighters can defeat Jordan army easily in a short time because of three

reasons. First they are brave , Martyrdom-seeking , well trained with a lot of war experience. Second most of people in Sunni

Islamic states are not consider them as enemy and in fact they have a lot of fans in these countries ( and for their army we

have the same condition ). There are some west fans against them but they will escape to west after first attack. And third in

most Islamic states people are against their governments ( Arab spring is a good example ) so they always want change and

now a group of Islamic fighters promising them to reestablish another Islamic empire like Umayyad empire. I think except that

Iran, Turkey and Kurdish and Shiite areas in the ME, they can occupy all ME and north Africa states easily. Unless

somebody from out of this region prevent them.

You know why they hate Shiite? one reason is they say we in Iran had a back-stabber when Ottoman Empire was occupying

Europe during Ottoman-Safavid wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman...%E2%80%9339%29

You know I am tired of these idiotic blood feuds because some one from one village stole a goat from someone else's village back in the 14th century they suddenly feel the need to slaughter everyone we have had to put up with it in the Balkans for the last 30 years now we have the Middle East doing it as well.

Do you know why the West has reached the top of the heap for the last 500 years it is because we have learned to let go of these idiotic things and decided that living life and improving our lot are far better options than killing each other over every little slight, prior to that the Ottomans figured it out as well and lead the way forward before that the Byzantines and Romans.

Now if these clowns think they will build a state through martyrdom more power to them and I am more than happy to spend the resources helping them achieve their lofty goals of death but I will tell you something no empire has ever become great by killing themselves as a matter of procedure.

ISIS is not a regular army. In a confrontation with the Jordanian army they will be easily defeated and they know it. Islamists and Jihadists fare well in destabelized countries that's why they are emerging all over the Arab spring countries.
Therefore ISIS will not attack Jordan but try to destablize it first with terror attacks, a strategy well known by Jihadists all over the world.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

ISIS is not a regular army. In a confrontation with the Jordanian army they will be easily defeated and they know it. Islamists and Jihadists fare well in destabelized countries that's why they are emerging all over the Arab spring countries.
Therefore ISIS will not attack Jordan but try to destablize it first with terror attacks, a strategy well known by Jihadists all over the world.

So, tell us how poorly the irregular insurgents fared in Iraq against the might of the US Armed Forces, here we are only a matter of months after running away with our tails between our legs after wasting billions of Dollars and countless of our best young citizens, and they have already recaptured most of the country.

Stabilised or not, the result would have been the same.

Originally Posted by hamidreza

Second most of people in Sunni Islamic states are not consider them as enemy and in fact they have a lot of fans in these countries ( and for their army we have the same condition ). There are some west fans against them but they will escape to west after first attack.

I disagree if they were not considered an enemy to the Sunni then what there there half a million plus Sunni refugees fleeing into Kurdish areas.

The fact of the matter is that ISIS are just another bunch of raving religious loonies who think slaughtering as many people as possible no matter who they are is how you make it in the world and the sooner they are wiped from the face of the world the better everyone will be.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I disagree if they were not considered an enemy to the Sunni then what there there half a million plus Sunni refugees fleeing into Kurdish areas.

The fact of the matter is that ISIS are just another bunch of raving religious loonies who think slaughtering as many people as possible no matter who they are is how you make it in the world and the sooner they are wiped from the face of the world the better everyone will be.

They left there because they didn't want to live in an unsafe place. They will return in peace time and it will not be important who will be the ruler. Daesh or Iraq army. But my question is what is the difference between Daesh in Iraq and Daesh and Al-Nosrah in Syria? they are doing the same thing they did in Syria. when Syrian refugees were leaving their homes during these 3 years most of west media said it was because of Assad dictatorship regime and nobody mentioned to Daesh or Al-Nosrah crimes!

Originally Posted by senojekips

So, tell us how poorly the irregular insurgents fared in Iraq against the might of the US Armed Forces, here we are only a matter of months after running away with our tails between our legs after wasting billions of Dollars and countless of our best young citizens, and they have already recaptured most of the country.

Stabilised or not, the result would have been the same.

The insurgents were defeated after the surge.

If Obama didn't withdraw all US military this would not have happend. The job was not finished (Maliki also is to blame). The same will happen again when they leave Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by VDKMS

The insurgents were defeated after the surge.

If Obama didn't withdraw all US military this would not have happend. The job was not finished (Maliki also is to blame). The same will happen again when they leave Afghanistan.

Precisely,... the insurgents were never "beaten", the coalition forces only ever "controlled" the land they were standing on, at any given time, the moment they moved elsewhere the land immediately reverted to the control by the insurgents. They would mount a mission on some little village, go in and kill a handful of insurgents then hightail it for home before dark. Within 10 minutes of their leaving the area it was back in control of the insurgents. You see, it's vastly different to the computer games you get your experience from.

It would have been no different had the coalition forces stayed there forever, That's why the coalition forces were run out of Iraq with their tails between their legs.