If only Lee didn't go to Gettysburg - Page 2




 
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January 23rd, 2010  
George
 
As Vietnam showed, you can win politicaly instead of militarily. Had Gettysburg been a draw or a Southern win. More importantly(maybe) had Bragg followed up & destroyed the Yankees after Chickamauga & recaptured Tennessee, or Joe Johnston remained in command of the Army of Tennessee, instead of being replaced by Hood, he might have held Sherman in check long enough for Lincoln to lose the 1864 election. Sherman taking Atlanta was a big boost for Lincoln.
January 24th, 2010  
03USMC
 
 
Take Harrisburg or get into position to threaten Baltimore or DC, then Lee has a chance. Which means he destroys or throws Meade into full retreat.
January 24th, 2010  
goodoldrebel
 
Interesting analysis and wouldn't it have been a great achievement if Lee did maneuver into Baltimore, DC etc. It seems that Picket gets trashed too often but we have to remember that he was just following Lee's strategy and was unaware that the rest of that tactic (rear backup) was non-existent.

The bottom line with Lee was that he should have kept doing what he was doing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This idea of gettyburg was it seems a purely idealistic emotion on his part to 'teach the north a lesson and give it a taste of its own medicine'. I really believe that a negotiated peace with favorable southern terms could have been an option if not for gettysburg. The war was extremely unpopular in the north and I think the southern sentiment within the northern civilian population would have had a political impact on the yankee gvt.
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January 24th, 2010  
George
 
Should have been called "Longstreet's Charge", he was in charge of all the chargers, not Pickett.
January 24th, 2010  
goodoldrebel
 
Agree, but still Lee was ultimately responsible for this carnage. Interesting point about Chickamauga.


Another interesting fact of the Civil War few are aware of is the only military Hebrew cemetary outside Israel is in no other place but Richmond, Va. Within the Hebrew Cemetery is a plot known as the Soldier's Section. This plot contains the graves of 30 Jewish Confederate soldiers who died in or near Richmond. In 1866 the Hebrew Ladies' Memorial Association was formed to care for this section.

My family goes way back in the south but few understand this connection or the fact that there has always been a large southern community. The antibellium north was at times openly hostile to the Judaic community. Judah Benjamin, Abraham Myers etc. are but a number of famous southerners who fought against yankee aggression.

Lee was always appreciative of this fact and sent a letter to the community again a token of recognition. There again I say, Lee being such a great being in all respects, yet, he must take the full heat for the ultimate blunder (gettysburg)
January 26th, 2010  
Mason
 
 
Lee was an idiot...all of his aids gave him sane advice before and during the battle and he ignored them all.

Charging up a hill with the enemy shooting down at you? I've been to that hill and it is all just rocks and grass with nothing to hide behind.
January 31st, 2010  
03USMC
 
 
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Originally Posted by George
Should have been called "Longstreet's Charge", he was in charge of all the chargers, not Pickett.
Longstreet was sorta of Persona non grata after the war, when the advance was dubbed Picketts charge. His blaming of Lee pretty much cast him outta the Lost Cause, Southern Gallantry club of surviving Generals.
January 31st, 2010  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mason
Lee was an idiot...all of his aids gave him sane advice before and during the battle and he ignored them all.

Charging up a hill with the enemy shooting down at you? I've been to that hill and it is all just rocks and grass with nothing to hide behind.
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
Longstreet was sorta of Persona non grata after the war, when the advance was dubbed Picketts charge. His blaming of Lee pretty much cast him outta the Lost Cause, Southern Gallantry club of surviving Generals.
On paper Chancellorsville shouldn't have gone any better than Gettysburg, the odds just cought up @ Gettysburg. It's amazing how many times the ANV should have been crushed, but got out of it.
Longstreet becoming a Republican probably didn't help either!
January 31st, 2010  
03USMC
 
 
Both Longstreet and Hood were pretty quickly sent to Tennesse after Gettysburg due to IMO critical opinions of Lee's Conduct of the battle. They roundly failed in those endeavors so that had some play in it.
February 1st, 2010  
goodoldrebel
 
In the early 1870s after Lee had died, the south sought to shifted blame for the loss of the war from Lee to Longstreet in order to promote the so called "lost cause." The Southern population wanted a scapegoat and Longstreet was a good target because he publicly admitted that the Confederate army's strategies and tactics were flawed.

Actually, it wasn't until July 1 1863 that Lee decided to attack the yankees yet did not decide where until the next morning. Longstreet did not really do much of anything that morning and he must take responsibility for that. Even if he objected to Lee's attack, Longstreet should have been alot busier that morning.

While it is true that Longstreet was openly angry at Lee's orders to attack in spite of his objections, and without doubt Longstreet made mistakes at Gettysburg, look at it this way, Lee should have listened to Longstreet to begin with.

It was Longstreet who told Lee point blank that a direct assault on the yankees would be fatal but Lee wouldn't listen and stubbornly continued to Cemetary Ridge so what could Longstreet do but follow the stupid orders and send Pickett and Hill ahead.

Getting between the yankees and Washington was Longstreet's idea. In the end I think Longstreet's idea would have been the more intelligent move.

Again, its all armchair quarterbacking but the decision for Lee to go to Gettysburg is still considered the biggest mistake in American history.
 


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