How ISIS Works - Page 3




 
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September 22nd, 2014  
ScarabVenom
 
 
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Originally Posted by Sara
I believe that it's all about the oil/money/power. It doesn't have anything to do with actual "beliefs". They're using religion as a weapon, a tool to cause fear. This is why many people are against it. It's used as a weapon to destroy. What's really sad is watching people fall for this and begin to argue amongst themselves over beliefs. It only makes them (ISIS) stronger when they do this.

A country which has freedom of religion is a big threat to them because it's more powerful. Their leaders aren't going to tell them it's about oil, their beliefs are what make them feel entitled to do this. *as Brinktk stated before on another thread.

They use this freedom as a weapon by hiding behind religion as the reason for hate, and it's the quickest way to get a response because of the fear it causes.
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Honestly, a clear evidence of what you're saying is the fact that these ISIL folks were pretty much Al-Qaeda in Iraq before creating their own group and having conflicts with another similar group called Al-Nusra front. All these groups pretty much more or less share the same ideology yet, they fight each other. There's power vacuum in the region and they're pretty much fighting so the winner takes the spot. It has nothing to do with religion, religion is pretty much for recruitment purposes.
September 22nd, 2014  
ScarabVenom
 
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
ISIS practises the muslim religion just as violent as Muhammad did.
Which religion didn't have violence done under it's name again? Please enlighten me.
September 22nd, 2014  
ScarabVenom
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I promise you I am very different to Spike on this one I am more than happy to let things die down as I know nothing said here will make a blind bit of difference and prefer to do more active type work on the issue but he did ask a question and I answered it hopefully providing some further means of him gathering information for himself.
What's going on with Spike again? He's one of the very few people in this forum that I'd bother to read his long posts.
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September 22nd, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by ScarabVenom
What's going on with Spike again? He's one of the very few people in this forum that I'd bother to read his long posts.
We believe he passed away back in June.
I will redirect you to this thread for further information.

The situation regarding Spike...
September 22nd, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by JOC
I'm a Baptist a form of Christianity. In our Bible we are told to spread the word by Jesus and his apostles, but only to those who are willing listeners. Never to force ones viewpoints. Now people point to the Crusades, the Inquisition, the forced conversion of native peoples the list goes on... They do not follow the Lord but their own agenda's, yet they make us Christ abiding Christians look bad. So we do not preach do as I say or die. It is you who is misconstrued when making such statements. You make apologetics for the Muslims yet the % of Christians that out slaughtering people by the thousands in the name of Jesus is nil. A contradiction?
Perhaps a similar phenomena has occurred with the Muslim faith? Where the rotten apples have spoiled the barrel for the rest. When I lived near MI. the area in US with the highest of population of Muslims in the country I befriended them and ate at their restaurants. My tailor is a Muslim and I highly dought that he's a terrorists. Even back when I was in the service I trained with Saudi's and Jordanians and we got on well enough.
May the Lords peace be with you.
Bollocks, the primary issue with religion is that it is such an open ended fairytale that it is open to interpretation both good and bad.
I am not making apologies for the Muslims at all I am an Atheist I find all religion ludicrous what I am saying is that they are all the same Christian, Muslim and Jew there is always a small fraction hell bent on slaughtering its way to the top of the heap and a giant mass of people who want to be left alone to get on with their day to day lives.

The key to this mess is finding a way to separate and destroy that violent fraction without alienating the giant mass of people just trying to put food on the table each day and that is why it is important that we do all we can to support those like Mootaz and his nation who are fighting their own battles.

September 22nd, 2014  
JOC
 
 
My Point to you is any Christian behaving as a money hungry liar, or a wild eyed activist is not a Christian following the teaching of Jesus. He warns to be on guard against those who would misuse his name. Unfortunately the world has it's share of such hypocrites. I hope I've clarified the delta.
September 22nd, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
My Point to you is any Christian behaving as a money hungry liar, or a wild eyed activist is not a Christian following the teaching of Jesus. He warns to be on guard against those who would misuse his name. Unfortunately the world has it's share of such hypocrites. I hope I've clarified the delta.
Yes they all say that which is why they all believe themselves to be "Religions of peace".

The fact that you interpret your religion of choice to be saying that is great but not everyone does lets take the Westboro Baptists for example do they share your views?

It is all about interpretation and as I have said the majority of all religions have interpreted is as you have but not everyone has.
September 22nd, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
Yes they all say that which is why they all believe themselves to be "Religions of peace".

The fact that you interpret your religion of choice to be saying that is great but not everyone does lets take the Westboro Baptists for example do they share your views?

It is all about interpretation and as I have said the majority of all religions have interpreted is as you have but not everyone has.
Their is truth in this
September 23rd, 2014  
ScarabVenom
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
We believe he passed away back in June.
I will redirect you to this thread for further information.

The situation regarding Spike...
Oh my, I've been gone for a while from the forums, never saw this coming.

May death be no less than kind to him.
September 23rd, 2014  
MontyB
 
 
Yeah it was a shock to most of us.
 


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