How Close to Allies Were We? China and the USA. - Page 4




 
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July 11th, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
bulldog, provide sources.

CSma...cokeisthebest, do not flame anyone or anything for the remainder of your stay here.
July 12th, 2005  
WARmachine88
 
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Originally Posted by Redneck
bulldog, provide sources.

CSma...cokeisthebest, do not flame anyone or anything for the remainder of your stay here.
yeeeees master

I will cover for Bulldog's source problem a bit by further expanding his points.

1. China's claim on Tibet is not very solid. Although Tibet often bowed down to Chinese rulers and hailed them as masters (but attack Chinese when China was weak, worst case in late Tang dynasty,Tibet army almost captured Chang'an) they always governed themselves, but I believe Tibet was widely recgonized as a part of China in the beginning of 20th century when China was ruled by nationalists. China's invasion in Tibet was probably one of Mao's long-term stratigic objective of capturing more resource and having a baffer zone protecting the nearby Si-chuang province (one of the most populated and prosperious region in China). Today, it is pretty much hopeless for China to give Tibet back, as the number of Han Chinese are already significant larger than Tibetian people (even Dalai Lama said he does not seek total independence anymore).

2. The true Taiwanese people were the 1-2% of native Taiwanese (first nations like Gaoshan zu). The rest all came from Fujian or the rest parts of China started from Ming dynasty to the natinalist's flee to Taiwan in 1949. In Taiwan's parliment today, the pro-unification faction (Blue faction lead by Natinalist party) holds a majority against the pro-independence Green faction.

3. All governments, democratic or totalitirian, have some embrassing past, and nobody likes to admit their own mistakes yet everybody likes to condemn others' problems to make themselves looking good.
October 4th, 2005  
migidarra
 
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The Chinese government is too corrupt and so is the American one currently with the Bush administration.
um i forget who typed that, but there is no such thing as a government that isn't corrupt.....its a job where the bad people want it and the good people don't...

sorry it was OT..lol

US vs China 32 years 3 hours 7 days.

Because of the quote...not any other reason lol. Um...my mustard seed er...brain hurts...
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July 17th, 2013  
papasha408
 
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Originally Posted by Doppleganger
China is one of the genuine enigmas of world history. For centuries the most advanced and civilized nation on earth, she has never had the military might to back her status, despite her millions of citizens. For the first time in China's history, largely due to nuclear weapons and the fall of the USSR, she is in, military wise, the most powerful phase of her history. You rightly mention that trade is the centerpiece of the relationship. Trade is arguably the most important relationship that can exist between nations. For the time being there is nowhere else for any US-China relationship to go. However, trade with the West beings Western values, seeing as the trade is almost exclusively one way - us to them. China is already the 2nd biggest PC market in the world and growing 7 times faster than the US market. Western companies are falling over themselves to obtain trading and manufacturing rights in Chinese markets. For the first time it's now possible to buy shares in Chinese companies. Chinese students are flooding Western Universities (I know because there are tons at mine).

If trade continues at the current pace, you may find that in 20 years time relations will gradually grow closer. However, the Chinese still may have that innate superiority that they feel is their right over the 'barbarians' that populate the rest of the world. I'm not sure about that but I do know that there were reasons why the People's Republic of China emerged and I know that their greatest enemy, the Soviet Union, is no more. However, there does need to be some political reforms or some observers predict that the current Chinese economic boom will collapse and China will go the same way as some of the other Asian 'Tiger' economies.
I agree with most of what you print. But though one may buy shares in a Chinese company, one cannot buy a Chinese company. And until this happens, China will always be treated with suspicion in world trade and any market economy.
July 17th, 2013  
udaka
 
I be very glad if If Soviet union army invade China 1969, Because at that time many soviet union soldiers should get killed in this war!


So-call soviet union lirberate "Manchuria" in 1945 just after US drop nuclear bombs the
homeland of Japan, at that time Stalin know Japanese must be surrender,so the Soviet union rob the fruit of China in world war 2! That is most shameless in human history.
From the history ,the Russian and Soviet union rob many territory by from Qing dynasty and support Mongolian independant from China in 1945.

The white guys (European ) trun a blind eye on it! So the Mao never trust these white (European). They very good at cheat other people rest the world!

If the Soviet union offense China border in 1969, I think millions Soviet union soldiers perish in the war.Fortunately,the Soviet union not to do it!


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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Following the border war between the USSR and China, Richard Nixon made a brilliant move diplomatically by completely reversing US relations with China. From that point forward, the US and China held something of an unofficial agreement that if the USSR attacked either China or the USA + NATO, then they would help one another defeat the USSR. When the USSR wanted to nuke the hell out of China, they checked with the USA to see if they could get away with it. I don't know what was said exactly, but suffice it to say, the USSR didn't nuke China even though they certainly wanted to. The USA was apparently quite persuasive.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...prc-soviet.htm


What I wonder is this: You sortof had an alliance between the USA and China. So when and how did that fall appart. Sure, it was never a love affair between the two great nations. More of a "planning for the worst to happen" relationship in all truth. The critical role that China played in being a possible combatant in the fight between the USSR and NATO is seldom given much attention. I don't know how much faith the USA and China truly had in each other. But there was an alliance of sorts.

It puzzles me. How did that relationship fall appart?
July 17th, 2013  
udaka
 
We do not need ally with USA, China ally with US was most stupid thing in world war 2.US sold his ally ,the US let Mongolia independant from China in 1945,that is so-call ally ,oh, Fcuk!

Believe me ,the US will continue sold his ally on the planet!

Of course ,the white will get retribution after sold his ally !
July 18th, 2013  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by udaka
We do not need ally with USA, China ally with US was most stupid thing in world war 2.US sold his ally ,the US let Mongolia independant from China in 1945,that is so-call ally ,oh, Fcuk!

Believe me ,the US will continue sold his ally on the planet!

Of course ,the white will get retribution after sold his ally !
I'll let the Americans answer this one.

However, you complain about the independence of Mongolia but you have never answered, why did China invade Tibet?
July 18th, 2013  
udaka
 
I found these European very like propagander about " their civil wars", I think these white guys almost made hundreds of war movies about Hilter German against other countries! From 1945-2013. r

As I know, about sixty-millions American are the descendant of German, So the the US fight against Geriman in world war 2. was German killed German?

I can't understand what's the point, these white( European) propagate about their civil war! Brag about a Amiercan soldier very bravery kill a German soldier in the war movie?
July 18th, 2013  
brinktk
 
 
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Originally Posted by udaka
I found these European very like propagander about " their civil wars", I think these white guys almost made hundreds of war movies about Hilter German against other countries! From 1945-2013. r

As I know, about sixty-millions American are the descendant of German, So the the US fight against Geriman in world war 2. was German killed German?

I can't not understand what's the point, these white( European) propagate about their civil war! Brag about a Amiercan soldier very bravery kill a German soldier in the war movie?

That's because you know nothing about either country. You've been drinking too much of the Chinese propaganda kool aid to understand the intricacies and diversity of both histories. Instead of continuously grinding your axe against the west, perhaps you should pick up a book NOT written by the CCP and learn something. I don't know why you hate me and my countrymen so much, we certainly don't hate you.
July 18th, 2013  
udaka
 
Hate American?no,no,no,no,no......... You midunderstood me! Sorry ,Charlie, The computer and internet what I using is invent by American,The USA is so rich,so strong on our planet! So many lovely girls in America! Why I should hate them? I just look down the dirty jobs what done by US politician.




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Originally Posted by brinktk
That's because you know nothing about either country. You've been drinking too much of the Chinese propaganda kool aid to understand the intricacies and diversity of both histories. Instead of continuously grinding your axe against the west, perhaps you should pick up a book NOT written by the CCP and learn something. I don't know why you hate me and my countrymen so much, we certainly don't hate you.