berlin was quite firce, russians had to take their 203mm batteries as direct fire weapons to knock down almost everyhouse because of fierce german resistance, being reduced to rubble after ally bombing and one of the heaviest bombardment on earth, there was rubble and russians didnt seem to remember stalingrad tactics, so the germans took the cover ver well and the russians had to gun down every thing that looks alive



now that we esdablished the first and second, being stalingrad and berlin


give some suggestions for third

i think the battle of britain deserves taht prize, it wasnt the msot deaths but the airbattles were the fiercest ( inspired by the film :P )

Yeah, air combat is very fierce, but how about something from 'Nam? What does every one here think about those battles and operations?

I think combat within Jungle areas that are so dense that you at times need flashlights during day time would be unbelievably frightening.

Air battle in WW2 esp. Battle of Britain was and still is the most advanced that it has ever been.

opps, someone forgot to add kursk

it was the single biggest tank engagement in the world, i think chinaman should add that in

Originally Posted by AA

opps, someone forgot to add kursk

it was the single biggest tank engagement in the world, i think chinaman should add that in

Whilst undoubtedly fierce, there wasn't urban battles on the scale of Stalingrad or Berlin. There were quite a few battles on the Eastern Front that were just as intense as Kursk.

like the battle of moscow, kharkov 42' and 43', operation bagration, libration of ukraine, destruction of army groupe center, operation mars....

there is no other war or front or place onthe world where a more fierce competetion betwene two different beliefs, countries and people have. the amount of men and machine involved in this battlefiled outnumbers any suggestions, the death toll was terrible and the number of shells and ammo lying on the eastern front is staggering, to this day many poeple still find mines and other military antiques dated back from the eastern front during world war II

#1) Thermopole
#2) Bastogne
#3) Forgot the name of this one. Romans vs. Brittish warrior queen; battle where warrior queen was defeated. Romans where cornered after an entire legion was whiped out by the rebellious warriror queen. With their backs basically to a wall they fought for revenge and their lives against a vastly numerically superior Brittish attacking force. When the Brittish routed they ran into their own supplies which where unintentionally setup in such a way as it formed a barrier for the routed Brits and the Romans bloodlust slaughtered the warriors with their wives and children against their own baggage train.

Honorable mention - The ambush of Varous' (sp?) column in the Teutoberg(sp?) Forest.

i would say the Mongol expansion in the 13 century, they attack and sack everything in the way! the turks in the middle east, a few cities were over 1million in population. nearly all citites were sacked.
its empire stretch from korea to middle of germany!

Someone mentioned vietnam, on a very small scale the tunnel rats who went down into the unknown darkness with almost no equipment and when they met the enemy it could degenerate into horrible hand to hand fighting using gouging scratching and biting to the death ,that must have been terrifing

nah, still goes with the soviet battles and the first is stalingrad

can you guys provide some good reasons why you thought those ancient battles were the fierest, because simply i am not buying it 8)