Empire of the Sun - Page 2




 
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March 21st, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by JOC
It would be a joke to say Hirohito the head honcho wasn't aware of what was going on. For cripes sake they murdered ~ 10 million.
Thats only a conservative estimate. On my station, human remains were found with their hands tied behind their backs with barbed wire, executed and buried.

The Japanese guards became more vicious as they began to lose the war according to a chap I worked with, who was a POW. He died aged 55 due to the brutality handed out by the guards. POW camps liberated in Malaya, buildings were found full of Red Cross parcels, never issued to the POW's. The Japanese guards were not starving.

Private Japanese guards were never subject to the brutality and torture POW's were subject to.

http://www.pacificwar.org.au/JapWarC...WarCrimes.html
March 21st, 2015  
tetvet
 
Torture no , being punch and kicked by superiors yes , Americans , Brits in the hands of the Japs and Germans at Stalingrad why surrender and suffer a worst fate ? .
March 22nd, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
General Percival made the decision to surrender on 15 February 1942. The water supply on Singapore Island had virtually dried up, petrol supplies were almost exhausted, military supplies were running low and the constant bombardments of the city were causing shocking civilian casualties. Percival realised that his only options were to fight to the death or surrender. He personally arranged the ceasefire and signed the surrender document at the Ford factory that same evening. All British Empire soldiers were ordered to lay down their arms at 8.30 that night.

For most of the Australian, British, Indian and other troops holding the forward lines, the surrender came as a great shock. Many had thought they would fight on.

The Far East was considered low priority for modern equipment and aircraft.
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March 22nd, 2015  
tetvet
 
The Japs were no better off they had a couple more days of ammo they were eating snakes and bugs they did have Air craft Percy out numbered them 3 to 1 Percy's troops were more than ready to fight on , the civilians in Singapore thought they had it bad until the Japs showed up then they really had it bad .
March 22nd, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Without air superiority Percival was on a loser.
March 22nd, 2015  
JOC
 
 
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Originally Posted by tetvet
Torture no , being punch and kicked by superiors yes , Americans , Brits in the hands of the Japs and Germans at Stalingrad why surrender and suffer a worst fate ? .
1st off these large scale surrenders are usually not decisions made by the individual fighting soldiers. They are made by superiors who fail to see a viable military option. The biggest surrender of the war occurred at Kiev when ~ 700,000 Soviets surrendered. Of these only 5% returned at wars end. The point was the battle was lost and their was no recourse but to surrender. The same was true for Singapore.
March 22nd, 2015  
tetvet
 
Ever hear of save the last bullet for yourself ? . Its an old American saying used when fighting the Apaches because no good would have come out of you being captured .
March 23rd, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetvet
Ever hear of save the last bullet for yourself ? . Its an old American saying used when fighting the Apaches because no good would have come out of you being captured .
If you're daft enough to do that, then good luck. Try telling a 19 year old to "Go shoot yourself son."

There's an even older saying, "Where there's life, there's hope."

However, that was the fate of a number of Chindits operating in Burma, who were too badly wounded to make it back.

The lessons of the Japanese invasion of Malaya and Singapore and the subsequent surrender were not lost, Major General Orde Wingate's Chindits and others proved that the Japanese troops were not super soldiers, they could be beaten and beat them they did.
April 2nd, 2015  
tetvet
 
In Vietnam the NVA had no Air Power but they fought to the death their death and your death it was very rare to capture one unless he was severely wound and even then he was dangerous and because of that they won the war .
April 2nd, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetvet
In Vietnam the NVA had no Air Power but they fought to the death their death and your death it was very rare to capture one unless he was severely wound and even then he was dangerous and because of that they won the war .
Tetvet I thought they did have some MIG's and did engage us in dog fights on occasion especially during the earlier portions of the war?
 


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