The Eastern Front decided WWII? - Page 6




 
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January 23rd, 2012  
Marcelo Jenisch
 
BTW, did the Soviets received penicillin? Not a critical factor of course, but curiosity of mine...
January 23rd, 2012  
Der Alte
 
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Originally Posted by Marcelo Jenisch
Women operated Flak guns in Germany?
Yes, as the War began to go against Germany. The static FLAK batteries in Germany continued to be operated by the Army, Navy and Air Force, but personnel were replaced by older men in the Home Guard, youth in the Reich Labor Service (RAD), and Hitler Youth boys and girls. Women auxiliaries were also involved. There were a variety of other personnel involved, including Italian, Hungarian, and Russian POWs.
January 23rd, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield
There are so many fanciful if and buts on this thread and some of them are so fanciful as to be laughable.
I have to agree, I have started to back slowly away from this discussion before they paint a swastika on Santa's slay and invade North Africa with his elves.
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January 23rd, 2012  
Der Alte
 
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Originally Posted by Marcelo Jenisch
BTW, did the Soviets received penicillin? Not a critical factor of course, but curiosity of mine...
No, they received nothing. Scientific research in the field of penicillin in the Soviet Union dates back to 1942, when research was organized in the Laboratory of the Biochemistry of Microbes at the Institute of Experimental Medicine. A usefull production did not appear until the end of 1946, and was not accessible to soldiers untill the middle of 1947.

Translated from the Khimiko-Farmatsevticheskii Zhurnal, October 1967.
January 23rd, 2012  
Der Alte
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I have to agree, I have started to back slowly away from this discussion before they paint a swastika on Santa's slay and invade North Africa with his elves.
Maybe one day we will. We invented both the atomic bomb and the flying saucer, you know.
January 23rd, 2012  
Marcelo Jenisch
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I have to agree, I have started to back slowly away from this discussion before they paint a swastika on Santa's slay and invade North Africa with his elves.
I'm not in the absurd conceptions. At least most things I have said can be considerated in a hypotetical German-Soviet war with Germany invading the USSR like historically. lol
January 23rd, 2012  
Der Alte
 
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Originally Posted by samneanderthal
American trucks not only pulled artillery, they supplied the tanks and troops from the railroad, sometimes far away from the fighting. Thousands of American troops were also used to launch Katyusha rockets by the hundreds of thousands and to transport said rockets.
Zhukov doesn't mention the crucial fuel, aluminum, planes, tanks, trains, food, etc, without which the red army was powerless.

Soviet production was completely unbalanced, on the one hand they produced 7 million submachine guns, a half million cannon, 100,000 tanks, etc, but extremely little food (the Ukraine being in German hands), fuel and all the other items that they were extremely lucky to receive from Santa Claus but without which they would have collapsed.
Lend Lease didn't save the USSR from defeat the Soviets would have won the key battles of Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad without it. Lend Lease made the gigantic Red Army more efficient by improving its logistics and communications.

A more efficient army can build up supplies and troops for an offensive more quickly than an inefficient one. Lend Lease made the 'Russian steamroller' roll faster by reducing the time needed to build up stockpiles of food, fuel and ammunition near the launching point of the next offensive.

So without Lend Lease, the Soviet timetable would have suffered delays, meaning the Red Army would take longer to reach Berlin. Impossible to say exactly how much longer, but I think the delay would be measured in months rather than weeks, although not in years.
January 23rd, 2012  
samneanderthal
 
Sorry I meant thousands of American trucks (not troops) were used to launch Katyushas.

A red army with 28,000 tanks and planes was swept aside in Barbarossa by 3,600 German tanks and planes, in large part because the Germans destroyed trucks, trains, etc, so the red tanks and planes couldn't fight without fuel and ammo.

German and Soviet armor in the eastern front:
June 1941 3,671 German, 28,800 Soviet, March 1942 1,503 German, 4,690 Soviet, May 1942 3,981 German, 6,190 Soviet, Nov 1942 3,133 German, 4,940 Soviet (the smallest difference during the war). By March 1943 the war was lost: 2,374 German, 7,200 Soviet, the Soviets had air, artillery and troop superiority also.

As you can see in Nov 1942 (Stalingrad) Stalin had nearly the same number of tanks as Hitler (despite Germanyfighting in Africa). Moreover, supplying the few Soviet tanks and battered troops was quite difficult since there were very few trucks, trains and even horses left in the much reduced USSR and Soviet production was very low after hurriedly relocating from the Ukraine and western Russia what was not lost to the Urals.

Just during the last quarter of 1942 (during the battle of Stalingrad), Stalin received 350,000 tons of steel, 250.000 tons of aviation fuel, 60,000 trucks, 11,000 jeeps, 2 million boots, 50,000 tons of explosives, 300 Airacobras, etc, At the same time the Allies disembarked in North Africa, forcing Hitler to relocate troops, tanks and planes from the USSR. The reduced strength of the Luftwaffe in Stalingrad allowed the Soviets to gain air superiority over Stalingrad and to move troops from the eastern side of the Volga and finish off the German army, which could not be supplied by air, because of the Soviet air superiority, the bad weather and the lack of Ju-52s (many of which were also sent to Africa and promptly lost there).
January 23rd, 2012  
Marcelo Jenisch
 
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Originally Posted by Der Alte
So without Lend Lease, the Soviet timetable would have suffered delays, meaning the Red Army would take longer to reach Berlin. Impossible to say exactly how much longer, but I think the delay would be measured in months rather than weeks, although not in years.
Without Lend-Lease to the Soviets, the Western Allies would certainly appreciate the contents for their use.
January 23rd, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Der Alte
Maybe one day we will. We invented both the atomic bomb and the flying saucer, you know.
See now we have the link, test flights of the Fw-Seigh-A1 were observed and reported as flying saucers, the Sleigh was the Luftwaffes long range delivery system for the atomic bomb thus explaining Rudolf's glowing nose.

After the war captured versions were sold to Mattel who reinvented it as a long range toy delivery system, damn these conspiracies...

 


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