Dowding's Costly Blunder in the Battle of France - Page 8




 
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November 23rd, 2011  
Sean the flying kangaroo
 
Sorry,...." Fight For the Sky"
November 23rd, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
High Roo,
They only had 2 blades at the critical time, in France, where the even fewer faced even more Germans.

The Zero is much over rated. The imaperial army plane shot down a lot more allied planes, even though fewer units were made. Even the Wildcat achieved a very favorable killing ratio against the Zero.
It was successful initially not because it was much better than the P-40 or Hurricane, but because they were few or none of these planes in Singapore, the Phillipines, Hong Kong, etc, and a lot of Japanese planes. Speed and maneouverability are no substitutes for armor and selfsealing tanks, perhaps more navy fighters were shot down attacking ships and ground installations than fighting planes. Armor and self sealing tanks are a must. Had Japan had them, its excellent pilots would have been far more useful.
November 23rd, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
Funny fact, the Brewster was nicknamed "the flying coffin" by US aviators, while the Finnish pilots scored high tolls on Soviet fighters with them.
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November 23rd, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
That says a lot about Soviet planes. Also the fact that every other country deemed the Airacobra useless, but several Soviet aces preferred it over Soviet planes.

By the way a lucky Buffalo shot down a Zero in Singapore. Like I said, not only were allied planes bad, they were very few during theinitial attack (a few dozen against several hundred Japanese planes, so they were uselessly sacrificed)
November 24th, 2011  
84RFK
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samneanderthal
That says a lot about Soviet planes. Also the fact that every other country deemed the Airacobra useless, but several Soviet aces preferred it over Soviet planes.
In that case, even the small number of Luftwaffe planes you claimed was put into action on the eastern front should be sufficient to deal with the Soviets...
November 24th, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
It was enough to destroy 20,000 planes and tanks in 6 months, but by then the Germans had also lost most of their planes and tanks, so that when Zhukov arrived from Siberia with 1,000 tanks and planes Germany lost the Battle of Moscow and the war.
Compare the dense and continuous air support afforded in France or even in Stalingrad (initially) to that in Barbarossa, where the Germans suffered terribly for its lack in Yelnia, Tikhvin, Rostov, Tula, Smolensk, etc, Planes, tanks, trucks and artillery were the key for the Blitzkrieg and they were all sorely missed in Barbarossa.
November 24th, 2011  
BritinBritain
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samneanderthal
Definitely and shot down most of the planes in each wave, so the Germans would have had to quit the BoB at least a month earlier. It makes more sense than shooting few planes and losing many with every coming wave for months.
Thank God you weren't commanding Fighting Command, the Tower of London today would be Gestapo HQ.
November 24th, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
And Rolls-Royce would belong to BMW?
November 24th, 2011  
Sean the flying kangaroo
 
Hi Sam, nice to hear from you and thankyou,...great reply, My New Zealand buddie's father flew Avengers, and told me the virtues of armour and s-s fuel tanks as well as telling me that if you flicked a cigarette at a Zero she might just save you a few rounds of ammo! You are dead right too about the brave buggers in France, they did their best under extreme odds....The boy's in the Fairey Battles had guts too...
November 24th, 2011  
samneanderthal
 
Hi Roo,
Yes there were many thousands of brave and excellent crews wasted in lousy machines and/or against incredible odds or in pointless missions in Norway, France, Britain, Greece, Malta, Singapore, Burma, bombing Germany for years, etc,
Before 1943 British pilots were used as efficiently as Soviet soldiers. No wonder they were short on pilots (and soviet soldiers).
 


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