Dining in /Out

August 10th, 2007  

Topic: Dining in /Out

Does anybody know about dining in/ out tradition ( or regimental dinner)?

Is it still popular? What's a Grog Bowl Procedure?
August 20th, 2007  
The regimental dinner or dining in night is still a big tradition in Australia, I've been to five so far this year. As for the grog bowl - I've never heard of it.
August 20th, 2007  
my company has dining outs very frequently .....a grog bowl...no idea what that is
August 20th, 2007  
Team Infidel
Formal military dinners are a tradition in all branches of the United States armed services. In the Air Force and Navy, it is the Dining-In; in the Army, the Regimental Dinner; in the Marine Corps and Coast Guard, Mess Night. The Dining-Out, on the other hand, is a relatively new custom that includes spouses and guests. Otherwise, it is similar to the Dining-In.As with most ancient traditions, the origin of the Dining-In is not clear. Formal dinners are rooted in antiquity. From pre-Christ Roman legions, to second century Viking warlords, to King Arthur's knights in the sixth century, feasts to honor military victories and individual and unit achievements have been a custom. Some trace the origins of the Dining-In to the old English monasteries. The custom was then taken up by the early universities and eventually adopted by the military with the advent of the officers' mess. With the adoption of the Dining-In by the military, these dinners became more formalized. British soldiers brought the custom to colonial America, where it was borrowed by George Washington's continental army.It is said that in the early 1900's, when England was the reigning power in India, there was an English Army Post where the Dining-In/Out received its first impetus. The Commander of this outpost in India had officers under his command who lived on the post, had their own mess hall, but were never around for dinner. Since the local area was more interesting than the Post Officers' Mess, the Post Commander found himself eating alone many nights. To bring the officers back to the mess and to create camaraderie, the Post Commander instituted a program whereby all officers would not only dine at least once a month in the mess, but they would dine in full military ceremony.The Air Force Dining-In custom probably began in the 1930's with the late General H.H. "Hap" Arnold's "wing-dings". The close bonds enjoyed by Air Corps officers and their British colleagues of the Royal Air Force during World War II surely added to the American involvement in the Dining-In custom.The Dining-In has served the Air Force well as an occasion to meet socially at a formal military function. It enhances the spirit of units, lightens the load of demanding day-to-day work, gives the commander an opportunity to meet socially with his or her subordinates, and enables the ranks to create bonds of friendship and better working relations through an atmosphere of good fellowship.

RULES OF THE MESS (OR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT)The following is a list of rules under which the Mess will be conducted. They are designed to conform to tradition and promote levity. Violators of these rules are subject to the wrath and mischievousness of Madam and/or Mister Vice. Any and all assigned penalties will be carried out before the membership.The President is the final decision maker and is never wrong.Thou shalt arrive within 10 minutes of the appointed hour.Thou shalt not bring hats or caps into the Mess.Thou shalt make every effort to meet all guests.Thou shalt move to the mess when thou hearest the chimes and remain standing until seated by the President.Thou shalt not bring cocktails or lighted smoking material into the mess.Thou shalt smoke only when the smoking lamp is lit.Thou shalt not leave the mess whilst convened. Military protocol over rides all calls of nature.Thou shalt participate in all toasts unless thyself or thy group is honored with a toast.Thou shalt ensure that thy glass is always charged when toasting.Thou shalt keep toasts and comments within the limits of good taste and mutual respect. Degrading or insulting remarks will be frowned upon by the membership. However, good natured needling is ENCOURAGED.Thou shalt not murder the Queen's English.Thou shalt not "open the hanger doors".Thou shalt always use the proper toasting procedures.Thou shalt fall into disrepute with thy peers if the pleats of thy cummerbund are not properly faced.Thou shalt also be painfully regarded if thy clip-on bow tie rides at an obvious list. Thou shalt be forgiven, however, if thee also ride at a comparable list.Thou shalt consume thy meal in a manner becoming a gentle person.Thou shalt not laugh at ridiculously funny comments unless the President first shows approval by laughing.Thou shalt express thy approval by tapping thy spoon on the table. Clapping of hands will not be tolerated unless the President of the Mess does so first.Thou shalt not use any portion of the decorations or food items as projectiles, unless of course, following the example of the President.Thou shalt rhyme all the lines of the toasts, but to read from a script "tis crime utmost!Thou shalt not question the decisions of the President, or Mister/Madam Vice.When the mess adjourns, thou shalt rise and wait for the President and guests to leave.Thou shalt not be sent to the grog before it is christened.Thou shalt enjoy thyself to the fullest.When in doubt, see Rule 1.

The custom of toasting is universal. It is believed that the custom came into wide acceptance after the effects of poisons were discovered. When two persons, who might be antagonists, drank from the same source at the same instant and suffered no ill effects, a degree of mutual trust and rapport could be established. With this foundation laid, discussions could continue on a more cordial basis. Today, toasting is a simple courtesy to the person(s) being honored.

President of the MessToast: "Ladies and Gentlemen, a toast to the Colors" Response: "To the Colors" Toast: "To the Commander-In-Chief, the President of the United States" Response: "To the President"Mister or Madam Vice (As requested by the President)Toast: "Ladies and Gentlemen, a toast to the Chief of Staff, United States Air Force" Response: "To the Chief of Staff" Toast: "To the Chief of Staff, United States Army" Response: "To the Chief of Staff" Toast: "To the Chief of Naval Operations" Response: "To the Chief of Naval Operations" Toast: "To the Commandant of the Marines Corps" Response: "To the Commandant" Toast: "To our Distinguished Guests" Response: "To the Guests"Senior Enlisted Member of the Mess (As requested by Mister or Madam Vice)Toast: "Ladies and Gentlemen, a toast to the Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force" Response: "Here, Here" Toast: "To our Guest Speaker" Response: "Here, Here"

At any time after the formal toasts a member may ask to be recognized for any appropriate reason. The member will stand and ask to be recognized by saying: "Mr President, I have a point of order". After recognition by the President, the member will in a polite and forthright manner advise Mr. President of his/her request. Response to informal toasts and all future toasts is "Here, Hear".

Members of the Mess will adhere to all rules of protocol and will render appropriate courtesy as required by the circumstances of the Mess.All personnel will conform to military standards as outlined in prescribed directives. Violations of the Rules of the Mess are brought to the attention of the President, through Mister or Madam Vice. If such gross violation of the Rules of the Mess are brought to the attention of the President, and are determined to be valid and not petty accusations, an appropriate trip to the grog bowl will be levied by the President who is the sole judge and jury as to who shall be required to drink the Grog. Violations of the Rules of the Mess may be identified at any time subsequent to the seating of the Mess and prior to intermission as declared by the President of the Mess.An escort will accompany his/her guest when necessary to leave and re-enter the Mess. Escorts are responsible for the actions of their guests.

August 20th, 2007  
Team Infidel
It is said that the Grog originated in medieval England at the time of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table. Legend has it that the bowl was present only at social functions of the greatest importance. And that indeed, the table was round so each of Arthur's knights was equidistant from the potent brew.In those times it was quite an ordeal for a knight to rise from his seat and partake of the wondrous mixture due to the weight of his suit of armor. it became a true challenge to rise, drink, and sit again. As a result, King Arthur ruled that this ordeal be reserved as punishment for the knave who was out of order or unruly.The tradition has carried over through the years and is now an integral part of the Dining-In.

When the President directs a violator to the grog bowl, the individual proceeds promptly. Upon arriving at the grog bowl, the violator does the following:Stops one pace from and centered on the Grog Bowl Does an about face and salutes the President Does an about face and salutes the Grog and then fills the cupDoes an about face Toasts the Mess by raising the cup and saying "To the Mess"Drains the entire contents of the cup without removing it from the lipsTurns the empty cup upside down over the top of their headDoes an about face and replaces the cupDoes an about face, salutes the President, and returns to his/her chairWith the exception of the toast, the violator is not permitted to speak during this process. Omissions of any of the above steps may demand a repetition of the entire procedure by the President of the Mess.


Report to the grog with a snappy salute and fill your glass and sniff with your snoot an about face you do and give it your best Raise your glass high and cheer, "to the Mess"Place your glass high on your beamThen look straight ahead by all to be seenBut before you leave, you must not forgetAn appropriate salute you must render yetA prompt return is all that we askIn order to complete the degrading task
All has been told, don’t ask for a breakIf you mess up, it’s your own dumb mistake
August 20th, 2007  
Team Infidel
Here is a script from a grog ceremony: Granted.. most of the ingrediants are "toxic" booze.... but for this one, they use "unleaded" stuff...

Master of Ceremonies (MAJ XXX): The history of the "Punch Bowl" ceremony has become obscured with time. Legend has it that during the years of the Westward expansion, Cavalry Troopers would share their spirits with one another, thereby insuring that all fellow troopers had something to drink. The alcoholic spirits usually consisted of whatever an individual trooper’s taste was, and that when mixed with other alcohol created a powerful drink known as "GROG". The camaraderie developed over the decades, and the various wars and campaigns provided the rare opportunity to share "liberated" spirits with each other. Today’s "GROG" or punch bowl ceremony is a symbolic reflection of this age-old tradition.

Grog has a long tradition of being identified with the United States Cavalry and true cavalrymen. The punch’s ferocity and keen taste was savored by those old cavalry troopers as they spurred their way to victory. To others, it was a poison, with the sting of a scorpion, the bite of a cobra, and the kick of a mule. Although we are proud warriors of the present, none must forget the past. To honor those cavalrymen who have come before us I add the remains of the grog from years past. (Coca-Cola)

Soldier One (1LT XXX): First, we need a base. Our base has been boiled by the heat of battle, drawn by our sabers, muskets and machine guns as we charged our enemies, and cooled by our victories which encompass the world. I now lay the base of blood from battles past. (V8 Juice)

Soldier Two (MSG XXX): From 1866 to 1890, the Army was instrumental in the campaigns against the Indians or Native Americans. Life on the frontier was difficult and the Indians were a tenacious and resourceful adversary. During this time the Cavalry was almost destroyed during its darkest hour at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. To commemorate the soldiers who lost their lives, in recognition of their glorious deeds on the plains, protecting settlers and maintaining law and order in the West, and in honor of the Indian Wars, I add Sky Blue Vodka to represent the “Big Sky” of their battlefields. (Sprite)

Soldier Three (CSM XXX): In 1898, the war with Spain was declared and the Army deployed to Cuba where they remained until 1902. The speed and shock effect of the campaign brought the war to a swift end. To the Rough Riders of that period who defeated the Spanish and pacified Cuba, we now add Cuban Rum. (Cream soda)

Soldier Four (Ms. XXX): The last horse cavalry combat in the western hemisphere was the result of Pancho Villa’s attack on Columbus, New Mexico in 1916. General John Joseph “Blackjack” Pershing launched the Punitive Expedition into Mexico and halted hostile action against our borders for all time. In recognition of securing our dusty desert borders from hostile attacks I now add tequila. (Lemon/Lime Gatorade)

Soldier Five (MAJ XXX): In early 1943, the Cavalry turned in its horses to become an infantry regiment. During WWII as a part of the 1st Cavalry Division, the colors flew into battles across the Pacific from the Admiralty Islands to the Philippines, securing battle streamers and a place in history for defeating the Japanese. They provided General MacArthur’s honor guard in Tokyo as a reward for their actions. For the soldiers who saw service in the Pacific, and to appease the great and treacherous Pacific Ocean, I offer San Miguel Beer from the Philippines. (Root Beer)

Soldier Six (LTC XXX): On June 25th, 1950 North Korea launched a massive surprise attack against our allies in the South. The U.S. Army soon found itself in a desperate fight against the Communist human waves in the Pusan Perimeter. In honor of Garry Owen’s tremendous sacrifices in the frozen hell that was Korea, against the massed and savage red hordes that died on regimental blades, we add that potent and devious extract known as Soju. (Bottled Water)

Soldier Seven (LTC XXX): In the 1960s, the Army needed proven warriors to exploit a new form of warfare – airmobile operations. On November 14, 1965 on Landing Zone X-Ray in the Ia Drang Valley of South Vietnam, we faced a full three regiments of the North Vietnamese Army. Over a day of heavy fighting, we destroyed one enemy regiment and significantly mauled two more. It was the first large tactical victory for the US and a validation of airmobile operations. Representing the gallons of sweat our soldiers gave in the steaming jungles of Vietnam and the liquid with which these soldiers quenched their thirst, I add warm Budweiser. (Maple Syrup)

Soldier Eight (LTC XXX): In August 1990 Saddam Hussein chose to invade Kuwait. The Army immediately deployed to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait as part of Desert Shield. Teaching the dictator the error of his ways as the U.S. Army routed his forces and liberated Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm. The Persian Gulf War taught us that with the addition of our tanks, Bradleys, and aircraft, we had worthy replacements for our old cavalry steeds. To salute the war, we add sand (Brown Sugar), and for our new dedicated workhorses, we add their lifeblood, JP-8. (Grenadine Syrup)

Master of Ceremonies (MAJ XXX): The 653rd Area Support Group was organized in the U.S. Army Reserve under the 63rd Regional Support Command at March Air Reserve Base, Moreno Valley, California on 1 September 1997. Originally designated as the Command and Control (C2) Brigade, it was commanded by Command Sergeant Major Gene Dilorenzo. On 1 April 1998, the C2 Brigade was re-designated as the 653rd Area Support Group with Colonel Donna L. Dacier assuming command as the first active duty commanding officer.

The group’s distinctive unit insignia was approved 7 October 1999, the colors of the insignia; buff, gold and scarlet; are the colors traditionally used by support units. The pheon and lightning flashes symbolize the large manufacturing community of Moreno Valley. The black pheon represents the steel and aluminum producing companies, while the lightning flashes denote the electronic and aerospace companies in the area.

The 653rd ASG commands and controls over 2,000 Soldiers in California and Arizona with a mission to man, train and deploy ready Soldiers and units in support of the global war on terrorism.

Since 11 September 2001, the command has successfully deployed over 1,367 Soldiers in operations Enduring Freedom, Iraqi Freedom and Noble Eagle. On 1 October 2005, the ASG will be re-designated as a regional support group.

Soldier Nine (SSG XXX): In recognition of our accomplishments and to symbolize the mountains, valleys and deserts of California and the geographic locations of the commands of 653rd, I offer the most superb California wine as the final ingredient. (Guava Juice)

Soldier Ten: Ma’am, as CSM and the senior enlisted soldier of the 653rd ASG, I offer you the first glass of our ceremonial grog.

Group Commander: I declare that this foul brew is in no way fit for human consumption. There is something missing . . .

In recognition of those soldiers who have fallen and those soldiers who are currently deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, I now add Champagne, to celebrate their sacrifices and those of their families.

(tastes) That is perfect; this grog is fit for consumption.

Master of Ceremonies: Ladies and Gentlemen, charge your glasses. One individual from each table is invited to come forward to charge their table’s carafe.
November 2nd, 2007  
From my experience "Dining Out" is a formal dinner for someone who is retiring from the service and leaving the Mess.

Mess functions only really start to get interesting when there are young subies to "initiate" or when the RSM locks the door with his Pace stick.

November 25th, 2007  
Originally Posted by UBIQUE
From my experience "Dining Out" is a formal dinner for someone who is retiring from the service and leaving the Mess.

Mess functions only really start to get interesting when there are young subies to "initiate" or when the RSM locks the door with his Pace stick.

Oh the Subbies have fun once they've been initiated. Nothing like a good kangaroo court to have a dig at the CO or the Brigade Commander.
April 16th, 2008  
yeah, our grog was so fowl. from what i tasted and heard among the ingredients were hotsauce mustard, and a fowl smell i learned was vineager. yeah we puked.
April 16th, 2008  
Thank you TI, for the interesting history lesson on Dining in/out and on the grog Bowl.

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