The Dambusters




 
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March 7th, 2015  
sandwichery
 
 

Topic: The Dambusters


Stumbled across this article on the last surviving pilot from the RAF's fascinating and somewhat controversial WWII mission.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Memorial.html
March 7th, 2015  
sandwichery
 
 
Here are photos of two of the targets that night, the Eder and Mohne dams.
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March 7th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
I am not sure why it was considered a controversial raid, many people believe that had the allies focused on Germany's power and fuel systems from the onset of the war could have ended it by 1943.

Les Munro is an interesting guy, I have seen a number of interviews with him and they are always well thought out.
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March 7th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
I am not sure why it was considered a controversial raid, many people believe that had the allies focused on Germany's power and fuel systems from the onset of the war could have ended it by 1943.

Les Munro is an interesting guy, I have seen a number of interviews with him and they are always well thought out.
I believe they did focus on the German fuel to quite an extend. I.e.: Ploiesti, Romania, the synthetic fuel plants, any truck or train hauling fuel. In fact my uncle took part in bombing runs over Ploiesti, Romania. By 43 the Germans were struggling to meet their fuel demands. According to my father in law who was in Germany at wars end they had to pull tanks up to the front using teams of horses at this late stage in the war.
This was one of the reasons they had to rely so heavily on horse drawn transport even in the early stages of the war. Unlike the Allies who were fully mechanized. And the Soviets who became mechanized with help from the lend lease.
I agree I don't know why destroying these dams was controversial this was done in the Ruhr. An area that was key to the German war industry.
March 8th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
I think it was Adolf Galland that said had 1% of the bombs that were dropped on German Industry had instead been dropped on power plants Germany would have collapsed in 1943.

Problem is that I can't find a reference that links him to the comment.
March 8th, 2015  
sandwichery
 
 
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Originally Posted by MontyB
I am not sure why it was considered a controversial raid, many people believe that had the allies focused on Germany's power and fuel systems from the onset of the war could have ended it by 1943.
Have read opinions that questioned if the end result justified the time and effort expended on the effort. Not to mention the loss of what must be considered elite air-crew.
March 8th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
I think the difference is that at the time of the raid the war was in the balance and as such I think it was an excellent plan given the time and resources available, by comparison Dresden was in my opinion a war crime the war was over and there was no need for the attack it was simply a revenge attack.
March 8th, 2015  
sandwichery
 
 
Always felt that Dresden was one of the last targets available for the strategic air forces to prove their worth. They had already destroyed every other sizeable city in the Reich, so they might as well flatten it too.
March 8th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by sandwichery
Always felt that Dresden was one of the last targets available for the strategic air forces to prove their worth. They had already destroyed every other sizeable city in the Reich, so they might as well flatten it too.

If the excuse "Because we can" wont get you off a speeding ticket why should it get you off killing tens of thousands of people and flattening a city, it is an excuse used by those without a valid reason.
March 8th, 2015  
LeEnfield
 
 
I have read that these medals are expected to be sold for close on 200.000. There is often a lot of talk that this raid did not achieve the results expected. Tens of thousands of slave labourers were pulled of building the Atlantic wall to rebuild the dams and help repair the damage making D Day easier than expected. Also a huge amount of German industry was badly affected by the flooding and other raids lost for more aircrew than the dam busters one. My father was stood down in 1940 on a raid that took place in France and the whole squadron did not come back from that raid.
 


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