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March 8th, 2015  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
If the excuse "Because we can" wont get you off a speeding ticket why should it get you off killing tens of thousands of people and flattening a city, it is an excuse used by those without a valid reason.
Some claim the death tally at Dresden was > 100,000. Whole building were sucked into the firestorm. The pavement caught fire. The real number may never be known.
March 9th, 2015  
sandwichery
 
 
Hamburg, as well as many other German cities, suffered the same fate but don't have the same controversy attached to them. I think that it was a matter of timing. Earlier in the war, in the eyes of many, it was justified to attack cities, but by the time that Dresden was destroyed the war was winding down and its destruction seemed like a case of hitting it merely because it hadn't been hit yet. Destruction for destruction's sake.
March 9th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JOC
Some claim the death tally at Dresden was > 100,000. Whole building were sucked into the firestorm. The pavement caught fire. The real number may never be known.
I suspect the answer is about 35,000, David Irving's book claimed 100,000 plus but he is a bit of a German apologist and tends to quote at the high end of the scale.

But really we are just talking magnitude we could just agree that it was a huge number and leave it at that.
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March 9th, 2015  
tetvet
 
There were NO military targets in Dresden .
March 9th, 2015  
tetvet
 
Bomber Harris was running out of targets Dresden had been spared for the most part but Harris had a thousand bombers and the will to bomb something anything Churchill agreed so there went Dresden , more Germans died in one night than all the Brits during the entire Blitz .
March 9th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetvet
There were NO military targets in Dresden .
Not true, Dresden was a major rail hub (which they never hit) and it also had small scale cottage industry that by then was being used for military purposes.

I think it fairer to say that there was nothing in Dresden that by February 1945 was going to change the outcome or even prolong the war.
March 9th, 2015  
tetvet
 
The Rail hub was some 6 miles out side the City it was bombed by the Americans the day after the night raid by the Brits , many Americans were appalled by the destruction to the City .
March 9th, 2015  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tetvet
The Rail hub was some 6 miles out side the City it was bombed by the Americans the day after the night raid by the Brits , many Americans were appalled by the destruction to the City .
That rail hub was fed by the Marienbrücke rail bridge which you can tell from the picture is not 6 miles outside the city in fact it is less than 2 kilometers from both the Frauenkirche and the Dreikonigskirche both of which were flattened.



General Hampe the commander of the Engineers who was sent to carry out salvage and repair work commented in his reports that the destruction of that bridge alone would have disrupted rail traffic for many weeks and that the capacity of Dresden as a rail hub was not diminished by more than a few days even after the 3 days of bombing that destroyed the city.

The reality is Dresden was destroyed as a last ditched act of revenge and little else.
March 13th, 2015  
LeEnfield
 
 
tevet

You say that many Americans were appalled at the destruction at Dresden, Yet when America fire bombed the cities in Japan it made Dresden look like a sunday school picnic.
The Japanese cities were bombed with napalm and around 100.000 died in Tokyo, more people died in this attack than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together. Yet they will happily have a go at the RAF for carrying out the raid on Dresden.
March 13th, 2015  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
tevet

You say that many Americans were appalled at the destruction at Dresden, Yet when America fire bombed the cities in Japan it made Dresden look like a sunday school picnic.
The Japanese cities were bombed with napalm and around 100.000 died in Tokyo, more people died in this attack than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together. Yet they will happily have a go at the RAF for carrying out the raid on Dresden.
LeEnfield you are wasting your time with tetvet, he is anti British and admitted he supports the IRA. That says enough quite frankly.

He's not worth your time or mine.
 


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