d- day




 
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June 22nd, 2005  
nebbe
 
 

Topic: d- day


what would have happened if the allied forces didn't do as well as they did on d-day were would Europe and rest of the world be i dear not even imagine it although there are other very important and decisive battles in europe this one overshadows them all.and i think that in the end the nazi's downfall were there battlemoral, malnourished, and hitler concentrating on the eastern front eventually broke them down and of course the allies having master tacticians and strategics as ike and churchill thank god for that !
June 22nd, 2005  
fronzz
 
 
I don't know. They wouldn't have done so well in Euorope.
June 22nd, 2005  
ghost457
 
 
if D-day hadnt been successful, we would probably have been fighting for the next 10 years trying to land on the European mainland, and it would have been a long, bloody, drawn-out war, even more than what it was.
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June 22nd, 2005  
PershingOfLSU
 
If we hadn't won at D-Day we would have given a boost to German morale. But the Soviets would have soldiered on.

By 1944 Germany had lost. The Soviets had built up a huge amount of momentum and the German army was incapable of stopping them. United States troops would have continued to advance up through Italy, and Churchill would probably have got the invasion of Yugoslavia he was hoping for.

In all likelyhood the Soviets would have taken Berlin before the first atomic bomb was ready. And even if they hadn't Germany would have been so battered that it's reasonable to believe that the first atomic bomb would have been used om Japan anyway.

The fate of the invasion force also depends on what you mean by the landings failed. Do you mean that the fighting lasted into June 7th before stopping? Or that the allies were forced out of France after a month of fighting. The latter, while far more damaging to the Allies, is far less likely then the beach landings simply being defeated. If the beach landings had failed then there would have far more then 3,000 casaulties. But despite the loss of the entire airborne invasion force, the Allies still would have had a huge stockpile of supplies in Europe.

There would have been another landing, but if that landing came too late then there is the very real possibility that France, or parts of it, would have been liberated by the Soviets. With the result of an entirely Soviet Germany, and France becoming either a split or communist state.

Edit: Thanks "The Other Guy"
June 23rd, 2005  
The Other Guy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PershingOfLSU
If we hadn't won at D-Day we would have given a boost to German morale. But the Soviets would have soldiered on.

By 1944 Germany had lost. The Soviets had built up a huge amount of momentum and the German army was incapable of stopping them. United States troops would have continued to advance up through Italy, and Churchill would probably have got the invasion of Yugoslavia he was hoping for.

In all likelyhood the Soviets would have taken Moscow before the first atomic bomb was ready. And even if they hadn't Germany would have been so battered that it's reasonable to believe that the first atomic bomb would have been used om Japan anyway.

The fate of the invasion force also depends on what you mean by the landings failed. Do you mean that the fighting lasted into June 7th before stopping? Or that the allies were forced out of France after a month of fighting. The latter, while far more damaging to the Allies, is far less likely then the beach landings simply being defeated. If the beach landings had failed then there would have far more then 3,000 casaulties. But despite the loss of the entire airborne invasion force, the Allies still would have had a huge stockpile of supplies in Europe.

There would have been another landing, but if that landing came too late then there is the very real possibility that France, or parts of it, would have been liberated by the Soviets. With the result of an entirely Soviet Germany, and France becoming either a split or communist state.
Last I checket the soviets have never lost control of moscow.

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You'll like it.
June 23rd, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PershingOfLSU
If we hadn't won at D-Day we would have given a boost to German morale. But the Soviets would have soldiered on.

By 1944 Germany had lost. The Soviets had built up a huge amount of momentum and the German army was incapable of stopping them. United States troops would have continued to advance up through Italy, and Churchill would probably have got the invasion of Yugoslavia he was hoping for.

In all likelyhood the Soviets would have taken Moscow before the first atomic bomb was ready. And even if they hadn't Germany would have been so battered that it's reasonable to believe that the first atomic bomb would have been used om Japan anyway.
I agree but only because by 1944, Hitler's Parkinson's condition had really gotten a grip on him and he was really incapable of running Germany in any kind of sensible way.

If the D-Day landings had been repulsed/had never happened it would still have been possible for Germany to check the Red Army advance in Poland. The combination of a much shorter defensive line for the Wehrmacht and ever lengthening lines of communication and supply for the Red Army would have made the taking of the Polish corridor, and therefore the most direct route into Germany proper, very difficult for the Soviets. But only if Hitler had left the management of the Ostfront to Guderian in his capacity as Chief of Staff to the OKH. In reality, this never would have happened though and so I agree that the Red Army would have marched into Berlin, probably several months later than historically.
June 23rd, 2005  
PershingOfLSU
 
Doh! Stupid me.

Right, that should read BERLIN, not Moscow.
July 22nd, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
If D Day had gone badly then we would have come into Germany via Italy or Vichy France, but in the finish the weight of numbers would have overwhelmed the Germans
August 20th, 2005  
FULLMETALJACKET
 
 
i love D-day, any game re enacment or movie ive seen it. 8)
August 20th, 2005  
ill be damed if i know
 
 
yeah i wouldnt say i love it but very interesting day ,i can only imagine the courage involved running up a beach under motor,machine gun,rifle,sniper ansd artillery fire.