Which culture circle possessed the greatest military power? - Page 3




View Poll Results :Which culture circle possessed the greatest military power during the Middle Ages?
Europeans 23 52.27%
Middle East 9 20.45%
East Asians 12 27.27%
Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll

 
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January 26th, 2006  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Huh? LOL, and there I thought this thread was eternally dead.
January 27th, 2006  
oRTouCH
 
 
Lets live this thread then :P
January 27th, 2006  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Sure, why not. Course, many of the people who posted in it haven't posted anything in a lot of months. So be it. I still maintain that the most powerful cultural circle of the Middle Ages would have to be the Far East. We can come to that conclusion quite rapidly. 1.) China waxed and waned, but had immense military and cultural strength. China alone can easily equal the cumulative cultural and military strength of all of Europe or all of the Middle East, especially if we total the entirety of the Middle Ages. 2.) the Far East produces the Mongols, and the much lauded armies of Christendom and Islam alike were crushed in short order by the Mongols. I can sum that up in with two names: Baghdad and Liegnitz. Their legacy continued from there. The Golden Hoarde maintained power for hundreds of years in Central Asia. Then there is Tamberlane and later the Mughul Empire in India, both of which actually came directly from the Mongols. 3.) The Seljuk Turks, the Ottoman Turks and the Turks in general actually originated from the broad region containing modern Kazakstan, Western China, Mongolia and Siberia. None of these are "Middle East" locations. Most notably, the Ottoman Turks maintained a powerful and long lasting empire that outshone all others in Europe for several centuries. It could be argued that their religion was Middle Eastern and this makes them Middle Eastern, but I don't agree. I don't feel that makes them Middle Eastern anymore than a Nestorian Christian in the Mongolian Empire of Ghenghis Khan is/was European. It was the Turks and not the Arabs that repelled the Crusades. And like it or not, every Crusade after the fall of the Kingdom of Jerusalem was a failure. That Kingdom was shortlived anyways.

The most likely reason for anyone to just automatically respond Europe is likely because they've never studied the history of the rest of the world for that same time period. The trouble with the term "Middle Ages" is that it is a term based upon European reckoning, so most people are going to tend to think of Europe the moment they hear that phrase. So we'd be taking into consideration the time period from about 900 AD to 1400 AD. You've got some very big things going on during that period and the the really big things did not come from Europe.
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January 29th, 2006  
LeEnfield
 
 
It is not just about conquering the territory it is also about holding it. Now there four countries that stand out during this time. Portugal, Spain, France and England and their influence still can be felt across the world in their language and customs
January 30th, 2006  
Damien435
 
 
What about The Netherlands? They held onto their colonies longer than Spain and Portugal.
February 6th, 2006  
Obvious
 
 
weren't the dark ages the time when Europe was at its decline.

Because how come the Chinese had the crossbow 1500 years before the Europeans.
February 6th, 2006  
LeEnfield
 
 
Each era has produced Nations who have got it together military. The Egyptians, Macedonians, Greeks, Romans, Vikings, and the British, they all have their different styles but they all achieved a great deal.
February 6th, 2006  
Damien435
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Each era has produced Nations who have got it together military. The Egyptians, Macedonians, Greeks, Romans, Vikings, and the British, they all have their different styles but they all achieved a great deal.
You forgot the Netherlands!
February 6th, 2006  
LeEnfield
 
 
Would you compare the size on the Dutch colonies to that of Rome, Greece or Britain
February 7th, 2006  
Damien435
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Would you compare the size on the Dutch colonies to that of Rome, Greece or Britain
Yes.

Roman and Greek empires were both land empires, which meant no need to navigate and coordinate halfway across the planet in a time with communication would take months.

Britain was, according to my Dutch friends, knocked around the block a few times by the Dutch.