Could UK defeat Germany without help from the United States? - Page 2




View Poll Results :Could UK alone defeat Germany in WW2?
Yes 9 31.03%
No 20 68.97%
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August 4th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
I think if the US had not become involved in the war in europe then britain would of had to rely far more on the colonies at the time to provide supplies, countries such as south africa and canada werent touched by the germans and if the there was no hope of the US joining the war then britain would of looked to these places, But not australia as they had the japanese to deal with!
August 4th, 2004  
Desire
 
In my humble opinion England could not have done it on it's own prior to our entering the war they were getting there butts kicked all over Europe. They needed our manpower and our weapons not to mention our leadership.
August 4th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
Britain did have good leadersip in WW2, generals such as montgomery (the only non-american ever to command amrican troops), the reason we got your leadership is because your constitution does not allow american troops to be under overall command of a foreign general, hence why most of the NATo generals have been american!
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August 4th, 2004  
ENRG
 
I agree on that their RAF was MUCH better than the German Air Force.. But remember, you can't win a whole war ONLY using planes.

I think UK would get their asses kicked down on the battlefield, not 'cause of the weapons or tactics or anything, but Germany would outnumber the UK soldiers, remember that the Germans forced the invaded countries to recruit to the German Army.
August 4th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
Never.

In fact the poll should really read:

Could the UK and the USA have defeated Germany without help from the Soviet Union?
August 4th, 2004  
ENRG
 
See that's a tough one, because we're moving in the other direction (on the globe) I don't think that the Alliede Forces had any contact to the Soviet, remember that the Russians were very protective about their country.

I think that the Alliede Forces would have after a long while have beaten the German forces, but it would take VERY long time. And that is if the Germans didn't walk to Russia.

I'm not 100% sure on anything in this scenario, all I know is, I'm glad the Soviet were where the were..
August 4th, 2004  
theredbaron
 
David Hurlbert,

I suggest you dont get your history from Hollywood.

The Germans were defeated by D-Day, when the US landed?

Rite...

1 - There would have been no D-Day with out Britain.
2 - Er... Russia?
3- You rate the heavy losses in military material in North Africa minor? 500 Ju-52s lost in three weeks is minor?
4 - Why no mention of the American defeat at Kasserine Pass when the US first met the Germans?

Stalingrad, Kursk, El Alamein, Moscow.... Not many Yanks at these 'Turning Point ' battles...

You also fail to mention the effects of Operation Bagration on the German Army.

Perhaps you would like to tell me how the US performed in the battle for Normandy and in the ETO? How about their divisional turnovers or their combat effectiveness?

Why do the US have to make out that they singlehandedly beat Germany, when the British and Russians know different...
August 4th, 2004  
David Hurlbert
 
Theredbaron

.....and I suggest that you read the post very carefully before making character conclusions and/or generalizations like how U.S. citizens “have to make out that they single handedly beat Germany, when the British and Russians know different.....” In fact, you and I are very much in agreement as I wrote in my previous post:

".....without the large number of Russian military losses (I think about 9 million and more than all the other countries added together) would there even be a United States or Great Britain? These are all important factors to consider and you are correct in your conclusion that no one could possibly ever know the outcome to such a really. On that note, I would also like to add that I do not think United States could have done this alone either. While a Nazis invasion of the United States would have been unlikely for many years to come, we too would have fought like hell for every inch of land. And in addition to the allies you noted, let’s not forget all the other many countries that committed their warriors, resources, and efforts to stop Fascism. The bottom line is that the reality of this situation and the positive outcome in defeating Fascism required a collective world effort."
August 4th, 2004  
theredbaron
 
My apologies Sir!

It is late and I may well have misread your post or read another and missed the name.

Sorry.

Russian losses are estimated at 26 million for WW2.
August 4th, 2004  
David Hurlbert
 
theredbaron

Apology fully accepted. And with that being said I would like to add I am impressed that you apologized since this is certainly not a trend in many people in this day and age and I honor this trait in anyone. Furthermore, I would like to say that I admire your passion and wish more persons had that spark for duty, honor, and country in them. I salute you!

As for the Russian losses - those numbers that I indicated were for "military losses" - your numbers I believe are total (civilian and military).