senojekips
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But of course! :roll:Clearly he is anti-semitic or perhaps he understand history better than others.
But of course! :roll:Clearly he is anti-semitic or perhaps he understand history better than others.
I think some persons don't really know the difference between being "Jewish" and just having Jewish parentage. My parents were Methodists (I think)*, but that does not make me a Methodist.I have a question about this guy though, he claims to be an atheist so how can he be Jewish which is a religion not a race/nationality.
I think some persons don't really know the difference between being "Jewish" and just having Jewish parentage. My parents were Methodists (I think)*, but that does not make me a Methodist.
*Neither attended any church for the purpose of worship.
I also have great difficulty in understanding persons proclaiming to follow some "god", and in the same sentence they preach murder and intolerance of their fellow man. I know of no recognised religion that supports this view.
No,... not even the much maligned Islam.
Such is the case with Israel, and hence my views in this thread.
He's got Jewish roots, even if he renounces them he has a right to claim being Jewish, i'm aware of religion issues but we need to drop them, i made a few Jewish friends in London and they didnt give a broken penny about their own faith but they'd be pretty offended if i ever suggested they were not Jewish.I have a question about this guy though, he claims to be an atheist so how can he be Jewish which is a religion not a race/nationality.
How is raciality of Jews legitimazing Israel, as long as the bottom line is "Arabs lived there for a 1000 years and Jews stole their homes" its still illegitimate as hell.Actually I don't think it can be dropped because the distinction between a race and a religion is the root of the regional problem, basically if "Jewish" is a race then it gives the creation of Israel a level of legitimacy under a historical sense if it is a religion it removes that legitimacy.
I'm not arguing the common perception, i'm simply proposng that being a Jew is different then being a Catholic, Jews for a very long time simply did not have secular culture, Judaism was IT, so if you were raised as a Jew and went secular you're still soaked in religious tradition you're just not assigning importance to the sacral element.I would argue that being a New Zealander is a nationality not a race (there is no New Zealand race) and a nationality is closer to a religion than a race (anyone can become a New Zealander much as anyone can become Catholic, Muslim or Jewish).
I will give you this as a source (although almost all say the same thing)
http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/a/beingjewish.htm
Or better still, just pick out the one or two lines of text that are relevant to the discussion and post them.Man that is one giant wall of text.
Can you do us a favour, edit it and add a few blank lines so it is easier to read?
Source: http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html"The most-frequent haplotype in all three Jewish groups (the CMH [haplotype 159 in the Appendix]) segregated on a Eu 10 background, together with the three modal haplotypes in Palestinians and Bedouin (haplotypes 144, 151, and 166).
but they are clearly not an ethnicity, as they have been so widely spread over scores of locations for over 1200 years. There are German Jews, Polish jews, Romanian Jews Dutch Jews,..... and on and on, and on. It would be the same if I were to choose a few thousand Roman Catholics from every country in which they live, and demand that they have their own country in which they can live and practice their religion un molested. Not only that I would merely give away the best part of a country belonging to someone else and have the hide to demand that they just roll over and give it up. Never Happen!!!that is why jews are thought of as an ethnicity and not just as a religion.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~“This year has seen a dramatic shift in American Jews’ attitudes toward Israel,” write Adam Horowitz and Philip Weiss in the Nov. 2, 2009 issue of The Nation. “In January many liberal Jews were shocked by the Gaza war, in which Israel used overwhelming force against a mostly defenseless civilian population unable to flee. Then came the rise to power of Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, whose explicitly anti-Arab platform was at odds with an American Jewish electorate that had just voted 4-to-l for a minority president. Throw in angry Israelis writing about the ‘rot in the Diaspora,’ and it’s little wonder young American Jews feel increasingly indifferent about a country that has been at the center of Jewish identity for four decades.”
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