Coalition ? - Page 2




 
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Boots
 
September 17th, 2014  
Timothy
 
 
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Originally Posted by brinktk
You mean 2011 right?
2009 - 2011

Correct brinktk - it was a process.
September 17th, 2014  
brinktk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timothy
2009 - 2011

Correct brinktk - it was a process.
It certainly was. Of course, I'm not sure I would have wanted to remain there if I could be prosecuted under Iraqi law for anything they deemed a crime. We all knew it was a mistake to pull out and so did their people and troops. I absolutely hate being right in this regard. It wouldn't have taken that much to give the ISF the guidance and steady hand they needed....sigh
September 17th, 2014  
Remington 1858
 
 
Syria is the homeland of the Cult of the Assassins. It shouldn't be too hard to find some guys in that area who would kill their own mothers if the price was right. It's going to be necessary to fund and support individuals and groups who are willing to do dirty deeds dirt cheap. Every nation has people on staff who are recruited and trained to put a bullet in the back of someone's head, ( eg. 007) but for political reasons Western nations are afraid to use their own people. So surrogates will have to be employed as was done in Colombia against traffickers like Pablo Escobar. The West will just have to find the right people, feed them intelligence, funding and support and let them eliminate the competition. Then it's only a question of taking out the last man standing. It's going to take a Western leader who is ballsy and Machiavellian. Someone like, say Henry Kissinger to clean this up. Today, no Western leader has the guts to do what has to be done.
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September 17th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
I'm not certain that large scale strategic bombing won't set ISIS back. Using AWAKs we can locate their hardware, armored vehicles, artillery, the weapons that are giving them the edge in their conventional style war, that has gained them so much territory. After pinpointing these weapons we can then destroy all this hardware faster than they can replace it. This should take the steam out of their offensive capabilities. Yes they can still plant bombs and snipe but that's not how they are defeating Assad and the Iraqi army. The radicals will not be completely defeated by heavy - sustained surgical bombing but it could cripple their offensive abilities.
September 17th, 2014  
brinktk
 
 
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Originally Posted by JOC
I'm not certain that large scale strategic bombing won't set ISIS back. Using AWAKs we can locate their hardware, armored vehicles, artillery, the weapons that are giving them the edge in their conventional style war, that has gained them so much territory. After pinpointing these weapons we can then destroy all this hardware faster than they can replace it. This should take the steam out of their offensive capabilities. Yes they can still plant bombs and snipe but that's not how they are defeating Assad and the Iraqi army. The radicals will not be completely defeated by heavy - sustained surgical bombing but it could cripple their offensive abilities.
Agreed, it is certainly a start in the right direction. At the end of the day though, to fully eradicate them there WILL have to be a ground force willing and capable of rooting them and their ideology out. There are candidates that could fit the bill and it seems the Peshmerga are actually having some success in retaking lost territory. The Iraqi security forces also seem to be getting back on the horse and making some gains or at least holding what they have. The elephant in the room is how is the government in Iraq going to give the Sunni's a stake in the country's future that lasts? Without a resolution to that question I don't see any military success on the ground against ISIS lasting. The Sunni tribes in Iraq hold tremendous local power and could really make life miserable for ISIS in the areas they have gained control over...yet, if they see that they'll be marginalized in the future, it'll just more of the same.
September 17th, 2014  
tetvet
 
First Spear . Obama went from no strategy to negative strategy . General Dempsey said it would take a year to bring the Iraqi Army up to speed by American advisors in the mean time what , who , when , ISIS may be a lot of things but stupid they aren't they shield themselves in a cocoon of innocent civilians knowing full well the Americans won't bomb such targets .
September 17th, 2014  
JOC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brinktk
Agreed, it is certainly a start in the right direction. At the end of the day though, to fully eradicate them there WILL have to be a ground force willing and capable of rooting them and their ideology out. There are candidates that could fit the bill and it seems the Peshmerga are actually having some success in retaking lost territory. The Iraqi security forces also seem to be getting back on the horse and making some gains or at least holding what they have. The elephant in the room is how is the government in Iraq going to give the Sunni's a stake in the country's future that lasts? Without a resolution to that question I don't see any military success on the ground against ISIS lasting. The Sunni tribes in Iraq hold tremendous local power and could really make life miserable for ISIS in the areas they have gained control over...yet, if they see that they'll be marginalized in the future, it'll just more of the same.
I agree. Any successful government must include Sunni's, Shiites and Kurds. This is one of the reason that Maliki was unsuccessful. He appointed inexperienced Shite to government and military post. This alienated the Sunnis, many of which were much better qualified for the job. Any lasting government must be inclusive.
September 18th, 2014  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by tetvet
Obama and Kerry are trying as best they can to get something going against ISIS-ISIL , Mr. Obama recently announced that a number of allies will come together to deal with the growing threat of ISIS , the names of the coalition Countries read like , what and who , the coalition has one member who might actually do something , Australia other than that not much .
Strange, before the dust settled after 9/11, Britain had SAS and SBS boots on the ground in Afghanistan.
September 18th, 2014  
Kesse81
 
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Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Strange, before the dust settled after 9/11, Britain had SAS and SBS boots on the ground in Afghanistan.
If such types are lurking around down there already, I donīt think anyone will tell you.
September 18th, 2014  
tetvet
 
What is strange is / are Obamas moves in the mid-east , can anybody make any sense out of this ? .
 


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